<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908</id><updated>2012-02-17T19:42:16.264+02:00</updated><category term='HELP'/><category term='Gretha Wiid'/><title type='text'>....</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Michael</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12218303841952833621</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='21' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aHQYweis40w/SJ1FCNn4vuI/AAAAAAAAAA4/MvJFGjRCPPU/s1600-R/gse_multipart52059.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>624</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3617389367205294161</id><published>2012-12-31T08:30:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2012-01-13T18:22:42.198+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Poësie</title><content type='html'>&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5308329005391895026" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/Sar5Gw1JWfI/AAAAAAAAADU/8R1c0W3Qbl0/s200/POET.jpg" style="cursor: hand; float: left; height: 100px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; width: 98px;" /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3; color: #cc0000; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;POETRY&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3; color: #cc0000; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;What is it anyway?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3; color: #cc0000; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Poetry is philosophy's sister&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3; color: #cc0000; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;the one that wears make-up&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: #d0e0e3; color: #cc0000; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;-Jennifer Grotz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3617389367205294161?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3617389367205294161/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3617389367205294161' title='71 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3617389367205294161'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3617389367205294161'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2009/02/poesie.html' title='Poësie'/><author><name>Liza-Nel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/Sar5Gw1JWfI/AAAAAAAAADU/8R1c0W3Qbl0/s72-c/POET.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>71</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3875223123777937040</id><published>2012-12-29T19:36:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2012-01-13T18:23:55.593+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Useful...and not so Useful Quotes</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3875223123777937040?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3875223123777937040/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3875223123777937040' title='170 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3875223123777937040'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3875223123777937040'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2008/12/useful-quotes.html' title='Useful...and not so Useful Quotes'/><author><name>Martha-Marie</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>170</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1420813715285402186</id><published>2012-12-26T00:19:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2012-01-13T18:24:36.900+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Humor</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; 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font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A person without a sense of humor is like&lt;br /&gt;a wagon without springs -&lt;br /&gt;jolted by every pebble in the road. ~&lt;br /&gt;-Henry Ward Beecher&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1420813715285402186?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1420813715285402186/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1420813715285402186' title='40 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1420813715285402186'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1420813715285402186'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2009/02/humor.html' title='Humor'/><author><name>Gideon</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15649254592445674686</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='20' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lcF9Jc5FK-w/TkEvOSZrjzI/AAAAAAAAADg/dCPpcdfKd9c/s220/DSCN0452.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TDH3tuVlysI/AAAAAAAAA08/KBp6jyj5A3c/s72-c/sour+face+copy.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>40</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3294158033643068574</id><published>2011-12-12T18:24:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2012-01-13T18:21:04.260+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Why do heretics seem more earnest than sound Christians?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Both ministers and private members of the church are very generally weakly in one way or other. They are living, but they are sickly. They are working for God, but they are working in a feeble, inefficient manner.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eU0J5zysL6k/TuYp5C9eynI/AAAAAAAABk0/jNHczSiALlk/s1600/SPURG.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" oda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eU0J5zysL6k/TuYp5C9eynI/AAAAAAAABk0/jNHczSiALlk/s200/SPURG.gif" width="125" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;If I look upon the camps of the Lord's enemies . . . I see intelligence and vigor so apparent that I am apt to think that never was error more earnest, more active, more intense than just now; there is a reality about the efforts of our opponents which may well alarm us: but when I look to the camp of the Lord Jesus Christ I lament a predominant luke-warmness, a want of enthusiasm, and deficiency in force, which, if it does not betoken a departure from God in heart, certainly indicates very great feebleness in the vital parts, producing comparative weakness in all the parts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;I desire this morning to speak to those who are weak—weak where they ought not to be—and who feel a growing tendency to rest content in that weakness; I would stir up those who are beginning to imagine that weakness is the normal and proper state of a Christian; that to be unbelieving, desponding, nervous, timid, cowardly, inactive, heartless, is at worst a very excusable thing. I want, if God wills, to show to the sinfully weak ones that their condition is not proper at all, and that it is the work of faith to lift us right out of it; not to help us in our evil weakness, but to deliver us out of it and to make us strong, reversing our present condition by enabling us to be mighty in the work of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n5PYmK_VADo/TuYqoPG0hmI/AAAAAAAABlE/3u-_P1smBBU/s1600/spsig2.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" oda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n5PYmK_VADo/TuYqoPG0hmI/AAAAAAAABlE/3u-_P1smBBU/s1600/spsig2.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #9b0000; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"&gt;[Excerpt from "God’s Cure for Man’s Weakness," a sermon preached by Charles Spurgeon&amp;nbsp;on Sunday Morning, June 24th, 1866, at the Met Tab in London.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3294158033643068574?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3294158033643068574/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3294158033643068574' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3294158033643068574'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3294158033643068574'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-do-heretics-seem-more-earnest-than.html' title='Why do heretics seem more earnest than sound Christians?'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eU0J5zysL6k/TuYp5C9eynI/AAAAAAAABk0/jNHczSiALlk/s72-c/SPURG.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1668874553387040898</id><published>2011-12-11T10:37:00.009+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-12T17:59:01.200+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Advent 2011</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LZjpd_mEWEw/TuRzfcpfFEI/AAAAAAAABks/zNWeEs0Xhqg/s1600/advent.2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" mda="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LZjpd_mEWEw/TuRzfcpfFEI/AAAAAAAABks/zNWeEs0Xhqg/s1600/advent.2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jes.7:1-17; 8:5-15&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jes.7:14 “Daarom sal die HERE self aan julle ‘n teken gee: Kyk, die maagd sal swanger word en ‘n seun baar en hom Immánuel noem.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;Konteks: &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Koning Agas, koning van Juda, het verneem dat twee konings besig was om teen hom op te trek: Resin van Aram, en Peka van Israel. Hy het ontrou teenoor God gelewe, en het boodskappers gestuur na koning Tiglat-Peléser van Assirië om hom te kom help. Saam met die boodskappers het hy ook goud en silwer uit die huis van die Here gestuur. Lees gerus meer hieroor in 2Kon.15 en vêrder. Ongeveer op hierdie stadium, en ten spyte van Agas se afkerige leefwyse, het God vir Jesaja gestuur om Sy hulp vir Agas aan te bied.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;Oordenking:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Buber het hierdie teksvers die mees omstrede vers in die hele Bybel genoem. Apologetiese geskrifte van sowel christene en Jode het rondom hierdie teks opgehoop. Hoofsaaklik het dit gegaan oor die bedoeling van die woord “ALMAH”. Het die skrywer ‘n MAAGD of ‘n JONG VROU bedoel? Want die woord kon enigeen van die twee beteken.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is dit ‘n vooruitsegging van Jesus se geboorte? Is dit ‘n bewys dat Sy moeder ‘n maagd was? Uiteindelik het dit ‘n vraag geword rondom die Godheid van Jesus Christus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maar waaroor gaan die teks nou eintlik?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die ou christelike vaders van die vroeë kerk het met ‘n bepaalde oog na hierdie teks gekyk – en dan ook na die hele O.T. Hulle wou graag aan die Jode bewys lewer dat Jesus die Christus was wat sou kom – en dat Hy dus werklik die Seun van God is. (“Christus” = Grieks; “Messias” =Hebreeus; “Gesalfde” = Afrikaans.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Om hierdie bewyse te lewer, het hulle op enige moontlike en onmoontlike plekke ‘n voorspelling van Jesus se maagdelike geboorte gevind. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In hulle ywer het hulle egter een groot fout gemaak: Hulle het die inherente betekenis (die betekenis van die teks, gelees in sy verband) geïgnoreer of buite rekening gelaat. Tekste is geïsoleer en as sg. bewysplase aangehaal – deur beide christelike sowel as Joodse eksegete.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(In ons moderne tyd probeer mense ook maar om Bybelgedeeltes se arm te draai tot daardie gedeelte sê wat hulle wil hê hy moet sê!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hoe moet ons dan nou die betekenis van hierdie teks, hierdie IMMANUEL-teken, in sy O.T.-verband verstaan? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wat het hierdie voorspelling vir ÁGAS beteken? Sou dit vir hom sin maak as die profeet vir hom sou sê: “Kyk, die Here gee vir jou ‘n teken dat hierdie twee konings jou nie sal oorrompel nie: Oor 700 jaar sal ‘n maagd ‘n seuntjie in die wêreld bring en Hy sal die Messias wees”. Sou dit vir Agas sin gemaak het? Sekerlik nie!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesaja probeer vir Agas oorreed om God met hierdie krisis te vertrou: “Komaan, Agas, vra ‘n teken! Vra enigiets!”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maar nee! Agas het klaar sy hoop gevestig op Tiglat-Piléser, die koning van Assirië. Hy wil nie nou afsien van hierdie veilige opsie nie - (soos hy dit beskou!). Nou is hy in ‘n hoek gedryf want hy wil nie die profeet sonder meer afjak nie. Nou sit hy maar sy vroom sabbatsgesig op en sê hy wil nie die Here uittart nie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Laat my nou toe om te parafraseer – om die betekenis van die teks duideliker te stel):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maar Agas, die Here sal tog vir jou ‘n teken gee!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die Here vra nou nie meer of jý ‘n teken wil hê nie! God sál nou sélf vir jou ‘n teken gee. En Agas, die Here sê:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wanneer jy dit sien, onthou dan hierdie dag toe jy My nie wou vertrou het nie, hierdie dag toe jy gekies het tussen My en ‘n heiden - die koning van Assirië. Onthou dan dat Ek nog altyd vir julle, my volk, “Immanuel” was. (Im-manu-EL = onder-ons/met-ons/by-ons-God). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘n Sekere jong vrou sal ‘n seuntjie in die wêreld bring. Sy sal genoeg geloofsoortuiging hê om hom Immanuel te noem – sy sal My vertrou. Sy sal daarmee getuig dat Ek nog altyd by julle was, en nog steeds, by julle is, en dat Ek nog steeds, soos vandag, beskikbaar is en Myself aanbied. En Ek sal haar nie teleurstel nie: Terwyl dié seuntjie sommer nog baie klein is, sal hierdie twee konings, Pekin en Resin, vir wie jy nou bewe, se trone omgeskop lê. Dan sal jy sien dat hulle vir My ‘n nietigheid is, dat hulle geen verwoesting aangerig het nie, en boonop dat die seuntjie, Immanuel, ‘n oorvloed het om van te eet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maar Agas, wanneer jy die seuntjie Immanuel, sien speel, laat dit vir jou herinner aan die woorde wat Ek vandag vir jou sê: Omdat jy vandag teen My gekies het, gaan Ek oor jou, oor jou volk en jou regering, verskriklike dae laat kom - en dit vanweë jou weiering om My helpende, reddende hand te aanvaar. Daardie koning wat jy nou bokant My verkies, wat jy meer vertrou as vir My, hom sal ek roep om jou te kom vernietig.&lt;br /&gt;Agas, wanneer jy vir Immanuel op die markplein sien speel, dink aan die Koning van Assirië! Hy het mos vir jou beteken wat Ek vandag vir jou wou beteken. Ek wou jou verlos uit jou benoudheid, maar jy het hom verkies! Goed, Ek gee jou oor in sy hande.&lt;br /&gt;Maar Agas, dis nie al nie! Soos bye van die berge en soos steekvlieë van die Nyl-delta, so sal die Assiriërs en Egiptenare jou land beset. Dan sal jy sien dat Ek inderdaad die wêreldgeskiedenis beheer – ook die Assiriërs en die Egiptenare. Immanuel sal vir jou ‘n teken wees – ‘n herinnering dat jy vandag, terwyl Ek myself aangebied het, geweier het om my te vertrou; dat jy, toe Ek jou ‘n aanbod van verlossing gemaak het, dit geweier het. (Ons sidder dan ook in die teenswoordige tyd wanneer ons opmerk hoe Jesus, wat Homself aanbied as Verlosser, geminag word!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GOD-MET-ONS sal jou gewete wees!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GOD-MET-ONS sal vir jou ‘n teken wees!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IM-MANU-EL sal ‘n getuie teen jou wees!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Agas, alles wat jy nou voor jou oë sien sal afgeskeer word soos ‘n haarkapper jou hare afskeer. IMMANUEL sal vir jou ‘n teken wees, ‘n herninnering van die komende verwoesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IMMANUEL kon vir jou ‘n teken tot redding gewees het, ‘n teken dat Ek altyd by jou sal wees soos vandag. Maar nou, vanweë jou ongeloof, is hy vir jou ‘n teken tot ‘n val. IMMANUEL sal nie vir jou vrede beteken nie, maar oordeel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die GOD-MET-ONS-teken sal vir jou ‘n teken wees dat Ek by julle, “Immanuel”, sal wees, maar nie reddend en verlossend nie, maar toornig en straffend. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dit is dan die eietydse betekenis van wat God daardie dag vir Agas gesê het.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nouis dit insiggewend dat die profeet Miga, (‘n tydgenoot van Jesaja en koning Agas) wat óók (soos Jesaja) teen die booshede van daardie tyd gepreek het, sê (5:1-5) dat daar ‘n Seun in Betlehem (“Beetleggem”= “Huis van brood” waaruit die “Brood van die lewe” sou voortkom!) gebore sal word, wat ‘n Heerser oor Israel sal wees, en die volk sal lei in die vrese van die Here. En hierdie Seun, sê Miga, se oorsprong lê vêr terug - uit die dae van die ewigheid. Miga sê ook dat Hy sal vrede wees. En Ef.2:14 sê Jesus is ons vrede.&lt;br /&gt;Deur die eeue het IMMANUEL die verwagting van die volk geword – dat God Hom weer sal ontferm oor Sy volk. Hy belowe (Jes.11:1) dat uit die stomp van Isai ‘n takkie sal uitspruit, en ‘n Loot uit sy wortel sal vrugte dra. (Isai was Dawid se pa, en Jesus word dikwels genoem Seun van Dawid – en Hy is die Loot uit die stomp/wortel van Isai wat sou vrugte dra.)&lt;br /&gt;Mat.1:21-23: “en sy sal ‘n seun baar, en jy moet Hom Jesus noem, want dit is Hy wat sy volk van hulle sondes sal verlos. En dit het alles gebeur, sodat die woord vervul sou word wat die Here deur die profeet gespreek het: Kyk, die maagd sal swanger word en ‘n seun baar, en hulle sal Hom Emmánuel noem, dit is, as dit vertaal word: God met ons.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;En as Jesus uit die maagd Maria gebore word, sê Matteus aan die Jode: Hier is julle verwagting vervul, hier is die vrederyk, hier is die nuwe Koning, hier is die spruit van Dawid, hier is die werklike IMMANUEL. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maar ook hierdie Immanuel is bestem tot ‘n val en ‘n opstaan. Ook hierdie Immanuel word die verworpe Jesus, die verloënde Verlosser. Oor Hom verwys Petrus dan ook na Jes.8:14 wanneer hy skryf (2:8): “Vir julle dan wat glo, is Hy kosbaar; maar vir die ongelowiges geld die woord: die Steen wat die bouers verwerp het, het ‘n hoeksteen geword; en: ‘n Steen van aanstoot en ‘n rots van struikeling – vir dié wat hulle daarteen stamp…” Deur Hom – God se genadegeskenk - aan te neem en in Hom te glo kan die vyand afgeweer en verslaan word. Maar vir hulle wat Hom – God se genadehand wat na ons uitgesteek word – verwerp, is daar verdoemenis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maar wie in Hom glo, vir hulle het Jesus die Hoeksteen geword, die Verlosser, IMMANUEL, GOD-MET-ONS. En hierdie “ONS” is hulle aan wie God mag gegee het om kinders van Hom te word – elkeen wat in Sy Naam glo. En vir ons wat glo sê Jesus ook vandag:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Ek is die opstanding en die lewe. Wie in my glo, sal lewe, al het hy ook gesterwe”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Inderdaad, Immanuel!!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1668874553387040898?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1668874553387040898/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1668874553387040898' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1668874553387040898'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1668874553387040898'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/12/adventsoordenking-des.html' title='Advent 2011'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LZjpd_mEWEw/TuRzfcpfFEI/AAAAAAAABks/zNWeEs0Xhqg/s72-c/advent.2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5569280005406679947</id><published>2011-12-05T08:58:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-05T17:50:51.254+02:00</updated><title type='text'>“ONS WIL DIE KERK VERANDER” - Laurie Gaum</title><content type='html'>Daar is vandag ‘n kort uitreksel en ‘n skakel na ‘n berig oor Laurie Gaum wat die kerk wil verander ( Die Burger, 2011/12/03) op ‘n onderafdeling van die NG Kerk se Tuisblad. Lees hier: &lt;a href="http://www.ngkerk.org.za/index.asp?bodyType=tuisblad"&gt;http://www.ngkerk.org.za/index.asp?bodyType=tuisblad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Laurie Gaum wil die kerk verander . Hy voeg sy stem by dié van sy pa , Frits Gaum (lees hier: &lt;a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Fluit-fluit-is-die-NG-Kerk-dalk-uit-vra-Frits-Gaum-20110312"&gt;http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Fluit-fluit-is-die-NG-Kerk-dalk-uit-vra-Frits-Gaum-20110312&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;en ook dié van Nico Geldenhuys (lees hier:&lt;a href="http://www.dieburger.com/By/Nuus/My-brief-teen-die-kerkdeur-20111104-2)"&gt;http://www.dieburger.com/By/Nuus/My-brief-teen-die-kerkdeur-20111104-2)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hierdie mense se wortels is in die NG Kerk. Ook op die NG Kerk se Diversiteitsforum sug mense blykbaar na verandering, maar hierdie Forum is nie sommer net "iemand se blog" nie. Hierdie forum is gekoppel aan die Tuisblad van die NG Kerk. Om by hierdie Diversiteitsforum uit te kom, moet mens dus eers klik op die Tuisblad van die Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerk. Heel bo-aan is ‘n keuse-lysie , onder andere “Belydenisgrondslag”. Wanneer mens daarop klik , kry mens ‘n duidelike uiteensetting van wat die “visie en missie” van die NG Kerk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Miskien moet die Gaums , Geldenhuyse en andere in die NG Kerk wat graag “die kerk” wil verander daarop gaan klik (hier: http://www.ngkerk.org.za/index.asp?bodyType=belydenis ) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daar word kortliks verklaar: &lt;br /&gt;“Dit (dus dit wat alles op hierdie spesifieke blad aangedui word) vorm ook die belydenisgrondslag van die NG Kerk, omdat dit in ooreenstemming met die Bybel is. Daarin word ons gereformeerde verstaan van die Christelike geloof geformuleer.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mense WIL die kerk verander, maar MAG hulle, en indien wel, waarnatoe?&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Henrietta Klaasing, Groblersdal.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5569280005406679947?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5569280005406679947/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5569280005406679947' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5569280005406679947'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5569280005406679947'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/12/ons-wil-die-kerk-verander-laurie-gaum.html' title='“ONS WIL DIE KERK VERANDER” - Laurie Gaum'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4446145621392435449</id><published>2011-11-14T15:26:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-05T17:51:47.809+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Christen of Christus-volgeling?</title><content type='html'>Iets interessants op TC Breytenbach se blog: Onder die opskrif ‘ Nuwe Spiritualiteit vervang Christendom’ begin hy deur die vraag te vra: Is daar 'n verskil tussen 'n Christen en 'n Christus-volgeling? "Ja", sê Tamara Hartzell in haar artikel, "Preparing for the Emerging One Church of the New World", "...daar is 'n hemelsbreë verskil tussen die Nuwe Spiritualiteit en die Christelike geloof waarbinne eersgenoemde tans besig is om laasgenoemde verdringend te vervang". Hartzell beweer dat wanneer die Nuwe Spiritualiteit finaal daarin geslaag het om alle Christene tot Christus-volgelinge te transformeer, die verskil so duidelik sal wees soos die verskil tussen dag en nag.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die begrip Christus-volgeling is baie subtiel gekies om nie té verdag te lyk ter voorbereiding van die "Emerging One Church of the New World" nie. Vir dié kerk-in-wording is die begrip "Christen" té eng en eksklusief. Christus-volgeling is inklusief en akkommodeer volgelinge van (die) Christus uit alle ander godsdienste.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christene baseer hul geloof op die Bybel, die regte dogmas, teologiebeoefening en 'n enkele waarheid soos vervat in God en Sy Woord. Christus-volgelinge behoort aan enige godsdiens of geloof, dogma en teologie is irrelevant, dade is veel belangriker as geloof, en waarheid is in alle godsdienste en gelowe te vind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eenheid, ten koste van alles, vorm toenemend die grondslag van die wêreld, en so ook van die Kerk. Die Christenbegrip word toenemend geassosieer met onverdraagsaamheid, verdeling, vooroordeel, veroordeling en wettisisme. Christene sê vir die wêreld daar is 'n enkele God en slegs één Weg na Hom toe. Die wêreld vind dit onaanvaarbaar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christus-volgeling word nou die aanvaarde benaming. In die nuwe wêreld sal dié "gelowige" nie-dogmaties, versoenend, akkommoderend, onbevooroordeeld en toegeeflik teenoor alle ander gelowe wees. 'n Gemeenskaplike god word aanbid waartoe enige "gelowige" sy eie weg tot dié god mag vind. Die Christelike geloof word een van vele gelowe, almal op gelyke voet. Teenoor hierdie Nuwe Spiritualiteit sal die wêreld verdraagsaam wees - die Christendom het misluk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hier is die skakel na TC se blog: http://waterswaarrusis.blogspot.com/2011/11/nuwe-spiritualiteit-vervang-christendom.html&lt;br /&gt;En hier is die skakel na die artikel waarna hy verwys: http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/books/in-name-of-purpose/led-away/2-emerging-one-chuch.htm&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4446145621392435449?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4446145621392435449/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4446145621392435449' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4446145621392435449'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4446145621392435449'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/11/christen-of-christus-volgeling.html' title='Christen of Christus-volgeling?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-8792948444199568718</id><published>2011-11-01T12:20:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-11-01T12:20:46.516+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Die Ring van Louis Trichardt kritiseer  besluite van die AS van 2011</title><content type='html'>In Sondag  se Rapport (lees hier http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/NG-ring-vaar-uit-oor-kerk-se-Belhar-besluit-20111029 ) is ‘n berig oor ‘n “ sterkbewoorde gespreksdokument” van die Ring van Louis Trichardt wat die afgelope AS vergelyk met met die ANC in Polokwane gebeur het  - volgens hulle  was dit  ’n oorname deur revolusionêre elemente.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lees ook meer op Dr Wynand Louw se blog, hier:&lt;br /&gt;http://hierstaanek.com/2011/10/30/louis-trichardt-ring-kritiseer-die-algemene-sinode-van-2011-se-besluite/&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-8792948444199568718?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/8792948444199568718/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=8792948444199568718' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8792948444199568718'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8792948444199568718'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/11/die-ring-van-louis-trichardt-kritiseer.html' title='Die Ring van Louis Trichardt kritiseer  besluite van die AS van 2011'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6815507604493526681</id><published>2011-10-29T16:10:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-30T12:10:44.524+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Watter rol speel die Heilsorde?</title><content type='html'>Hierdie vraag hang op’n manier saam met die Armenius/Calvyn draad. &lt;br /&gt;Dit lyk wel so, blyk uit een van die artikels op ene Hendriekus se blog (skakel op Slabbert le Cornu se webwerf gekry: &lt;a href="http://hendriekusr.wordpress.com/"&gt;http://hendriekusr.wordpress.com/&lt;/a&gt; Lees verder onder kommentaar.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6815507604493526681?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6815507604493526681/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6815507604493526681' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6815507604493526681'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6815507604493526681'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/10/watter-rol-speel-die-heilsorde.html' title='Watter rol speel die Heilsorde?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4123839982188049167</id><published>2011-10-09T12:03:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-09T20:07:28.895+02:00</updated><title type='text'>GETROUHEID AAN DIE BYBEL!</title><content type='html'>&lt;h1 class="bold"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: large;"&gt;Beswaardes eis getrouheid aan Bybel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;h1 class="bold"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Marlene Malan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;div class="clr_left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Die NG Kerk is op ’n “dwaalpad”, meen ’n groep van sowat 50 “bekommerde, besorgde Bybelgetroue NG lidmate” wat beoog om by die NG Kerk se algemene sinode met plakkate te betoog.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana;"&gt;Lees hier:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Beswaardes-eis-getrouheid-aan-Bybel-20111008"&gt;http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Beswaardes-eis-getrouheid-aan-Bybel-20111008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zTjN7W9o5SI/TpFxVC20ZLI/AAAAAAAABfU/LHgv4SO9DRI/s1600/017b0aab5cb84f039a94078adee79b4a.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" kca="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zTjN7W9o5SI/TpFxVC20ZLI/AAAAAAAABfU/LHgv4SO9DRI/s1600/017b0aab5cb84f039a94078adee79b4a.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4123839982188049167?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4123839982188049167/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4123839982188049167' title='22 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4123839982188049167'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4123839982188049167'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/10/getrouheid-aan-die-bybel.html' title='GETROUHEID AAN DIE BYBEL!'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zTjN7W9o5SI/TpFxVC20ZLI/AAAAAAAABfU/LHgv4SO9DRI/s72-c/017b0aab5cb84f039a94078adee79b4a.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>22</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7645170316807704544</id><published>2011-10-05T06:31:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-10-05T09:43:48.382+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Die ALgemene Sinode en die duiwel</title><content type='html'>Wynand Louw trek interessante parallelle tussen die ontkenning van die bose en Panenteïsme - - ek wonder of die opstellers van die besprekingspunt dit besef? &lt;br /&gt;Lees meer op hierdie twee plekke:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://hierstaanek.com/2011/10/05/die-algemene-sinode-van-2011-en-die-duiwel/"&gt;http://hierstaanek.com/2011/10/05/die-algemene-sinode-van-2011-en-die-duiwel/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://hierstaanek.com/2011/09/22/31/"&gt;http://hierstaanek.com/2011/09/22/31/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Omdat engele manifestasies van god is kan hulle nie teen god rebelleer nie. In panenteïsme is daar dus ’n paar moontlikhede:&lt;br /&gt;• God is beide goed en boos. (dualisme) Boosheid en sonde is ‘n manier waarop god nuwe ervarings opdoen.&lt;br /&gt;• God is goed maar onmagtig om die bose te keer omdat sy almag ingeperk word deur die vrye wil van die skepping.&lt;br /&gt;• Satan en sy demone bestaan nie”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7645170316807704544?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7645170316807704544/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7645170316807704544' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7645170316807704544'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7645170316807704544'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/10/die-algemene-sinode-en-die-duiwel.html' title='Die ALgemene Sinode en die duiwel'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2664557364552402231</id><published>2011-09-23T20:54:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-24T19:29:02.257+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Neutrinos faster than light?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rom2cQLLggs/Tn4TRmRI_XI/AAAAAAAABbA/6BiXA0fs8QE/s1600/cartoon.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" hca="true" height="158" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rom2cQLLggs/Tn4TRmRI_XI/AAAAAAAABbA/6BiXA0fs8QE/s200/cartoon.gif" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Will this prove Einstein wrong? And what about evolution hypothesis? Read more here: &lt;a href="http://technology-science.newsvine.com/_news/2011/09/22/7903656-neutrinos-clocked-moving-at-faster-than-light-speed"&gt;http://technology-science.newsvine.com/_news/2011/09/22/7903656-neutrinos-clocked-moving-at-faster-than-light-speed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2664557364552402231?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2664557364552402231/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2664557364552402231' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2664557364552402231'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2664557364552402231'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/09/neutrinos-faster-than-light.html' title='Neutrinos faster than light?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rom2cQLLggs/Tn4TRmRI_XI/AAAAAAAABbA/6BiXA0fs8QE/s72-c/cartoon.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5975227920059967172</id><published>2011-09-21T11:43:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-25T16:22:29.364+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Israel indrukke</title><content type='html'>Ons is pas terug van daar af. Hier is 'n paar indrukke wat my bybly. Die sg. heilige plekke is so hyper gekomersialiseerd dat mens gladnie die indruk van gewydheid kry nie. Die indruk wat jy wel kry is hoekom Christus die sweep ingelê het.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wanneer 'n mens aan 'n stal dink, moet mens nie noodwendig aan 'n geboude struktuur dink nie. Bethlehem is kalksteen wêreld met baie grotte en dit was waarskynlik makliker om 'n grot van klippe en plant skoon te maak as om 'n struktuur te bou. Die skaapwagter het dan in die bek van die grot geslaap, wat natuurlik baie veiliger was vir die skape as 'n kraal, waar enigiemand of enigiets net oor die muur kan spring. Die gesamentlike liggaamshitte van die skape het dit in die winter ook meer gerieflik vir die wagter gemaak as 'n rokerige vuur wat aanhoudend gestook moes word. Jerusalem (die tempel) is nie so ver van die skaapwagtersvelde af nie. Skynbaar was dit ook die gebied waar die skape aangehou was wat as diereoffers na die tempel geneem moes word. (Dink aan die simboliek!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die Oospoort (waar Christus, volgens die Bybelse profesie Jerusalem sal binnegaan) is tans toegemessel (deur die Moslems) Maar daar is baie grafte van vroeë Christene wat op Sy koms wag. Die Moslems wat Hom verwerp het ook besluit om daar 'n begraafplaas aan te lê. 'n Begraafplaas is 'n onrein plek en hulle glo dat dit Christus sal keer. Daar is duisende grafte wat dateer uit die tyd toe hulle die land beset het. Maar Christus is juis die een wat mense uit die dood opwek. In hulle obsternaatgeit het hulle baie mense 'n guns gedoen (wel ek hoop so, want vir die wat nie reg is nie sal dit die grootste onguns wees!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die lot wat oor Christus se onderkleed gewerp was? Dit was nie net 'n kwessie van 'n dobbelsteentjie gooi nie - dit was 'n spel wat gespeel is - iets soos Ludo en die naam van die spel - die spel van konings - "The game of kings"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5975227920059967172?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5975227920059967172/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5975227920059967172' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5975227920059967172'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5975227920059967172'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/09/israel-indrukke.html' title='Israel indrukke'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3810890867787954260</id><published>2011-09-20T21:05:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-19T10:06:17.569+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Goodbye( Uncle) Sam, hallo my Tjaaina...</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WuLMJFn9Pfo/Tnb354wDmrI/AAAAAAAABa8/qVhf-Ll6_7A/s1600/D2308EU0.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="227" rba="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WuLMJFn9Pfo/Tnb354wDmrI/AAAAAAAABa8/qVhf-Ll6_7A/s320/D2308EU0.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Saterdag se Beeld (hier: http://www.beeld.com/Rubrieke/Gasrubriekskrywers/Die-toekoms-volgens-JZ-20110513 ) is ‘n baie interessante berig oor Zuma se toekomsplanne vir Afrika . Volgens die berig, verklaar Zuma self hoe hy, die wêreldleier, Afrika se belange van Wes na Oos wil help verskuif. “China is Afrika se grootste kliënt en is globaal die grootste uitvoerder, nie net na Afrika nie.” Hy is ook nie baie vriendelik teenoor die VSA nie .... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wat dink julle is die implikasies hiervan? As julle vir Zuma kon raadgee, wat sou dit wees?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3810890867787954260?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3810890867787954260/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3810890867787954260' title='28 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3810890867787954260'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3810890867787954260'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/goodbye-uncle-sam-hallo-my-tjaaina.html' title='Goodbye( Uncle) Sam, hallo my Tjaaina...'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WuLMJFn9Pfo/Tnb354wDmrI/AAAAAAAABa8/qVhf-Ll6_7A/s72-c/D2308EU0.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>28</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3658614100280132609</id><published>2011-09-15T05:52:00.008+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-26T16:19:49.404+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Arminianisme versus Calvinisme</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VIM2SLaHc6U/ToCJ8wJSMMI/AAAAAAAABbQ/tNXyxR-L1Uc/s1600/arminianism.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" kca="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VIM2SLaHc6U/ToCJ8wJSMMI/AAAAAAAABbQ/tNXyxR-L1Uc/s1600/arminianism.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Arminius was ‘n Hollandse professor en het van die bepalings van die Heidelbergse Kategismus en die Nederlandse Geloofs-belydenis bevraagteken. Sy dogma staan bekend as Arminianisme. Die beginsel daarvan is dat ons die wil van God kan weerstaan, dat ons ŉ werkende keuse maak met ons verlossing en sodoende ŉ bydrae maak. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘n Paar jaar na sy dood, in 1618, het die Sinode van Dortrecht ‘n sitting gehou om die Dortse Leerreëls te bespreek en om vyf punte van protes van die volgelinge van Arminius te bestudeer. Na intense studie gedoen is wat sewe maande en 154 sessies geduur het is daar op die sg. Vyf Punte van Calvinisme (in Engels die sg. TULIP – Google dit gerus!) besluit, naamlik 1. die totale verdorwenheid van die mens; 2. onvoorwaardelike verkiesing; 3. Christus het gesterf tot redding van ‘n bepaalde groep mense, naamlik die uitverkorenes; 4. onweerstaanbare roeping en 5. volharding van die gelowiges. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Soos Liza onder die onderwerp van die doop gesê het, kry ons ‘n veelheid van variasies van dié twee uiterstes by verskillende denominasies vandag. Hierdie is net ‘n inleiding van ‘n reuse-grote onderwerp. Kan julle help?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3658614100280132609?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3658614100280132609/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3658614100280132609' title='35 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3658614100280132609'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3658614100280132609'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/09/arminianisme-versus-calvinisme.html' title='Arminianisme versus Calvinisme'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VIM2SLaHc6U/ToCJ8wJSMMI/AAAAAAAABbQ/tNXyxR-L1Uc/s72-c/arminianism.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>35</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1397389100198410918</id><published>2011-09-09T07:41:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-09T07:41:32.199+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Opgestaan, Ferdie Mulder, resensie nr 7</title><content type='html'>Myns insiens Ds le Cornu se mees relevante resensie van dié boek, lees hier: &lt;br /&gt;http://proregno.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/boekbespreking-opgestaan-deel-7-die-social-gospel-en-911/#comment-466&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1397389100198410918?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1397389100198410918/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1397389100198410918' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1397389100198410918'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1397389100198410918'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/09/opgestaan-ferdie-mulder-resensie-nr-7.html' title='Opgestaan, Ferdie Mulder, resensie nr 7'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3699447102346173907</id><published>2011-09-04T19:11:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-09-04T19:11:34.419+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Die evangelie volgens Thomas</title><content type='html'>&lt;br /&gt;Volgens Wikipedia (hier:  http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelie_volgens_Thomas ) is die Evangelie volgens Thomas 'n versameling van gesegdes en uitsprake wat aan Jesus toegeskryf word, kort samesprake en tonele wat in 'n uitspraak van Jesus kulmineer. Die teks word in letterkundige opsig nie by die ander evangelies gereken nie. Die Evangelie van Thomas maak ook nie deel uit van die kanonieke boeke van die Nuwe Testament nie. Sy herkoms is omstrede aangesien die teks naas bekende Jesus-woorde uit die Nuwe Testament ook onbekende uitsprake bevat. Waarom sou hierdie 115 verse/gesegdes/spreuke, dan so hooggeag word deur die NHN (Nuwe Hervormings-Netwerk en SES(Sentrum vir Eietydse Spiritualiteit)? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3699447102346173907?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3699447102346173907/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3699447102346173907' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3699447102346173907'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3699447102346173907'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/09/die-evangelie-volgens-thomas.html' title='Die evangelie volgens Thomas'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6929519532422234543</id><published>2011-08-18T07:16:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-08-18T07:19:44.673+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Men walk with death in their eyes  ....</title><content type='html'>Ek hoor vanoggend vir die eerste keer Bruce Springsteen se liedjie "Factory - The working life" met onder andere die woorde:  "... Men walk with death in their eyes  ...." SJOE - ek het soms sleepvoet gaan werk, maar die dood in my oë?? Hoe voel jy oor JOU werk? (lees verder)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6929519532422234543?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6929519532422234543/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6929519532422234543' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6929519532422234543'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6929519532422234543'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/08/men-walk-with-death-in-their-eyes.html' title='Men walk with death in their eyes  ....'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1331671738609055480</id><published>2011-08-02T06:35:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-08-02T06:37:21.183+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Ferdie Mulder, OPGESTAAN, deel 4 van resensie</title><content type='html'>Ds. Slabbert le Cornu:  Boekbespreking nr 4 van Ferdie Mulder  se boek, OPGESTAAN, hier (met kritiese kyk na Tukkie-dosente): &lt;br /&gt;http://proregno.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/boekbespreking-opgestaan-%e2%80%93-deel-4-verdagte-teoloe/&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1331671738609055480?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1331671738609055480/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1331671738609055480' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1331671738609055480'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1331671738609055480'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/08/ferdie-mulder-opgestaan-deel-4-van.html' title='Ferdie Mulder, OPGESTAAN, deel 4 van resensie'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-347740230620631603</id><published>2011-08-01T06:48:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-08-03T20:30:28.819+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Bekeringsdoop</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y_u5ezKYZ6E/TjYxQ6LUrCI/AAAAAAAAAGM/5M0ZcX54cNU/s1600/AdrioKonig.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5635746150265170978" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y_u5ezKYZ6E/TjYxQ6LUrCI/AAAAAAAAAGM/5M0ZcX54cNU/s200/AdrioKonig.jpg" style="cursor: hand; float: right; height: 200px; margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px; width: 163px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Oorspronklike artikel by: http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Laat-bekeringsdoop-in-NG-Kerk-toe-vra-predikante-20110730&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #232323; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #232323; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"&gt;Johannes de Villiers&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;h1 class="bold" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 24px; font-weight: 700; margin: 0px 0px 6px; outline-width: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Laat-bekeringsdoop-in-NG-Kerk-toe-vra-predikante-20110730"&gt;Laat bekeringsdoop in NG Kerk toe, vra predikante&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #232323; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #232323; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"&gt;’n Groep predikante en lidmate van die NG Kerk het ’n amptelike proses begin om dié kerkverband te vra om ’n bekeringsdoop vir volwasse lidmate toe te laat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dié groep, wat hoofsaaklik uit vyf prominente gemeentes in die NG Kerk se oostelike sinode kom, het hul streeksinode versoek om die algemene sinode in Oktober vanjaar amptelik te versoek om ’n volwasse bekeringsdoop naas die kinderdoop toe te laat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Dit kom nadat die Wes-en-Suid-Kaapse sinode vroeër vanjaar besluit het om die algemene sinode te versoek om opnuut ’n studie te doen oor die vraag of die kerk ’n volwasse bekeringsdoop kan toelaat. Dit kan daartoe lei dat die doop een van die belangrikste besprekingspunte op vanjaar se sinode word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talle NG teoloë, waaronder prof. Adrio König, waarsku reeds jare lank dat die NG Kerk se weiering om ’n volwasse bekeringsdoop toe te laat daartoe bydra dat baie lidmate dié kerk vir verbande soos die AGS of onafhanklike pinksterkerke verlaat.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #232323; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #232323; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"&gt;Ander predikante en teoloë is egter gekant teen die instelling van ’n bekeringsdoop omdat hulle meen dit sal die geldigheid van die gereformeerde kinderdoop ondermyn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;König is een van die lidmate wat die jongste versoek aan die oostelike sinode help opstel het.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die besluit om dié versoek te rig, is geneem op ’n vergadering waar onder andere predikante uit die gemeentes Moreletapark, Ermelo-Oos, Witbank-Klipfontein, Wit­rivier en Kerksondermure oor dié kwessie vergader het.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Volgens König glo hulle nie ’n volwasse doop sal ’n algemene verskynsel in die NG Kerk word nie, maar hulle wil wel die keuse hê vir diegene wat ’n behoefte daaraan het.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Die bekeringsdoop is iets heel anders as die Christelike doop wat aan kinders bedien word. Die Christelike doop word in die naam van die Vader, Seun en Heilige Gees bedien en kan nie herhaal word nie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Ons wil ook nie hê dat dit afgeskaal of ondermyn moet word nie,” sê König.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Maar as daar iemand is wat wel as ’n kind die Christelike doop ontvang het en wat as volwassene ’n bekeringsdoop ook wil hê om te wys hy het sy lewe vir die Here gegee, wil ons hê dat dit toegelaat word.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So ’n bekeringsdoop sal nie die status van ’n sakrament hê nie, sê König.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Slegs mense wat die geldigheid van die Christelike doop (soos dit aan kinders bedien word) erken, sal vir ’n bekeringsdoop in aanmerking kom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Johan van Schalkwyk, moderator van die oostelike sinode, het bevestig dat hulle so ’n versoek van die groep predikante in dié sinode ontvang het, maar sê dit is nog nie ’n uitgemaakte saak dat hulle dit wel aan die algemene sinode gaan oordra nie.&lt;br /&gt;Hulle gaan nog daaroor besin.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-347740230620631603?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/347740230620631603/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=347740230620631603' title='69 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/347740230620631603'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/347740230620631603'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/08/bekeringsdoop.html' title='Bekeringsdoop'/><author><name>Danie Loots</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18010349897516680282</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='26' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pY6URF8xtzw/S342fEtFirI/AAAAAAAAAB0/VSijKLfgjLE/S220/JDLoots.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y_u5ezKYZ6E/TjYxQ6LUrCI/AAAAAAAAAGM/5M0ZcX54cNU/s72-c/AdrioKonig.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>69</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7577516664648668760</id><published>2011-07-29T07:55:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-29T07:56:10.529+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Resensie, deel 3 van Ferdie Mulder se boek, OPGESTAAN</title><content type='html'>Deel 3 van die resensie van Ferdie Mulder se boek is uit – een van die beste skrywes oor fundmentalisme wat ek in ’n lang tyd gelees het , hier: &lt;br /&gt;http://proregno.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/boekbespreking-opgestaan-deel-3-fundamentalisme/&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7577516664648668760?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7577516664648668760/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7577516664648668760' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7577516664648668760'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7577516664648668760'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/07/resensie-deel-3-van-ferdie-mulder-se.html' title='Resensie, deel 3 van Ferdie Mulder se boek, OPGESTAAN'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-203261326880921823</id><published>2011-07-20T14:48:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-20T14:48:58.355+02:00</updated><title type='text'>“Wie is die ware konkelaars ?”</title><content type='html'>Dr. Slabbert le Cornu oor Ferdie Mulder se boek, Opgestaan,  op sy webwerf (hier: http://proregno.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/boekbespreking-opgestaan-deel-1/ )&lt;br /&gt;"In ‘n neutedop wil ek, vanuit my eie perspektief,  die gebeure van 2001-2006 saamvat, deur die vraag te vra volgens prof. Jurie Le Roux se 'gekonkel woorde', wie nou eintlik die ware konkelaars is ?  Ek meen: &lt;br /&gt;Die vervolging, onreg en verkleinering wat plaasgevind het teen Ferdie en medestudente in die jare 2001-2006, en nog belangriker om die sentrale leerstuk van die liggaamlike opstanding van Christus te negeer deur hulle te vervolg wat beskerm moes word, en hulle vry te spreek wat skuldig is aan dwalinge - is die gevolg van die ‘gekonkel’ van dwaalleraars en magspeletjies van kerklike broederbonders (soos gesien kan word in die 7 verhore wat tydens hierdie saak daaroor plaasgevind het), wat mense en mense-aansien meer vrees en respekteer as vir God en sy gebod (contra Spr.29:25 en Mark.8:38).  In deel 2 van my bespreking wil ek daarop wys in antwoord op Le Roux wat die vroeë kerk beskuldig van 'n 'gekonkel' van die Woord, dit eintlik hoër kritiese en postmodernistiese teoloë is wat ala 'Da Vinci Code' filmteologie besig is om te konkel met die Woord, die kerkgeskiedenis en ons gereformeerde belydenisskrifte, al vir dekades lank.” (Lees verder).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-203261326880921823?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/203261326880921823/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=203261326880921823' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/203261326880921823'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/203261326880921823'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/07/wie-is-die-ware-konkelaars_20.html' title='“Wie is die ware konkelaars ?”'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-8435674127899312481</id><published>2011-07-19T22:11:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-19T22:11:37.146+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Vernietig teologie geloof?</title><content type='html'>Vernietig teologie ’n lewende geloof in Jesus Christus? Sommige pastore en predikante dink so. Hulle mag moontlik goeie redes wat uit slegte erva¬rings gebore is, hê. Dit het byvoorbeeld met Wynand* gebeur. Wynand het Jesus Christus in sy matriekjaar leer ken. Sy lewe het daadwerklik verander. Voorheen wou hy Sielkunde aan die universiteit studeer, maar toe het net een ding werklik getel – om Jesus Christus te dien. Hy het met sy predikant gaan gesels en hulle het saamgestem dat God Wynand roep om die bediening te betree. Na skool het Wynand vir Teologie ingeskryf – opgewonde oor die vooruitsig om dieper in God se Woord te delf. Lees self hier verder:  http://www.juig.co.za/article.php?id=140&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-8435674127899312481?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/8435674127899312481/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=8435674127899312481' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8435674127899312481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8435674127899312481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/07/vernietig-teologie-geloof.html' title='Vernietig teologie geloof?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2774735778188062770</id><published>2011-07-19T21:42:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-19T21:44:47.063+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Ferdie Mulder: eksklusiewe onderhoud in JUIG!!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-INZtWaHhGzA/TiXehysm-WI/AAAAAAAAAPs/9NgWspTsABk/s1600/1310717062%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 156px; height: 200px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-INZtWaHhGzA/TiXehysm-WI/AAAAAAAAAPs/9NgWspTsABk/s200/1310717062%255B1%255D.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5631151581222599010" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MOET lees! die nuuste JUIG  het 'n eksklusiewe onderhoud met Ferdie Mulder!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2774735778188062770?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2774735778188062770/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2774735778188062770' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2774735778188062770'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2774735778188062770'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/07/ferdie-mulder-eksklusiewe-onderhoud-in.html' title='Ferdie Mulder: eksklusiewe onderhoud in JUIG!!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-INZtWaHhGzA/TiXehysm-WI/AAAAAAAAAPs/9NgWspTsABk/s72-c/1310717062%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-8035141457429075186</id><published>2011-07-02T10:27:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-07-02T10:30:21.588+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Opgestaan! Ferdie Mulder se nuwe boek . . .</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iQeVHswlR_8/Tg7W8zDRmDI/AAAAAAAAAPk/3b-x15i5muo/s1600/opgestaan_boek_ferdie_mulder%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 144px; height: 200px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iQeVHswlR_8/Tg7W8zDRmDI/AAAAAAAAAPk/3b-x15i5muo/s200/opgestaan_boek_ferdie_mulder%255B1%255D.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5624669324616767538" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Nou in Pretoria beskikbaar, hier: &lt;br /&gt;Graffiti Books &amp; Stationery&lt;br /&gt;Shop 42&lt;br /&gt;Kolonnade Shopping Centre&lt;br /&gt;Montana Park&lt;br /&gt;Tel: 012 - 548 2356&lt;br /&gt;Fax: 086 590 4855 &lt;br /&gt;Besoek gerus hul  webwerf by: www.graffitiboeke.co.za&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-8035141457429075186?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/8035141457429075186/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=8035141457429075186' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8035141457429075186'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8035141457429075186'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/07/opgestaan-ferdie-mulder-se-nuwe-boek.html' title='Opgestaan! Ferdie Mulder se nuwe boek . . .'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iQeVHswlR_8/Tg7W8zDRmDI/AAAAAAAAAPk/3b-x15i5muo/s72-c/opgestaan_boek_ferdie_mulder%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2550965617652210541</id><published>2011-06-18T21:53:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-06-18T21:55:11.093+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Evolutionists, please explain!  Where are all the people?</title><content type='html'>Evolutionists claim that mankind evolved from apes about a million years ago. If the population had grown at just 0.01% per year since then (doubling only every 7,000 years), there could be 1043 people today—that’s a number with 43 zeros after it. This number is so big that not even the Texans have a word for it! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The real history of the world is recorded in the Bible, the Word of the Creator-God who was there in the beginning. This record shows that the world was deluged and destroyed (Genesis 6–9, 2 Peter 3) so that all people living today came from those who survived aboard Noah’s Ark. A study of population growth clearly supports this Biblical record.&lt;br /&gt;(Read more here: http://creation.com/where-are-all-the-people)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2550965617652210541?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2550965617652210541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2550965617652210541' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2550965617652210541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2550965617652210541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/06/evolutionists-please-explain-where-are.html' title='Evolutionists, please explain!  Where are all the people?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3584026346348481423</id><published>2011-06-13T23:04:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-06-13T23:09:06.354+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Herlewing . . .</title><content type='html'>150 jaar gelede het God ’n groot deel van ons land besoek met herlewing. Die herlewing het uitgebreek in Worcester en versprei na ander dorpe in die Hexriviervallei. Hierdie gebeure staan ook bekend as die Andrew Murray herlewing. Gedurende hierdie herlewing het duisende mense na God teruggedraai. Honderde sendelinge is vanuit gemeentes die wêreld ingestuur en ’n nuwe passie vir gebed het in die kerk posgevat. Sending opleiding, gebedskole en ander opleiding het uit die herlewing ontstaan. Een van die wonderlike gevolge van hierdie herlewing is die Pinsterbidure wat vandag nog deel van die Kerk se erfenis is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hoe staan dit tans in Suid-Afrika t.o.v. herlewing?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3584026346348481423?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3584026346348481423/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3584026346348481423' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3584026346348481423'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3584026346348481423'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/06/herlewing.html' title='Herlewing . . .'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4820773690565243134</id><published>2011-06-03T11:07:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-06-03T11:09:00.337+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Solipsism</title><content type='html'>.... is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. &lt;br /&gt;The term comes from the Latin solus (alone) and ipse (self). Solipsism is an epistemological or ontological position that knowledge of anything outside one's own specific mind is unjustified . The external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist. In the history of philosophy, solipsism has served as a skeptical hypothesis (dankie Liza!)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4820773690565243134?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4820773690565243134/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4820773690565243134' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4820773690565243134'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4820773690565243134'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/06/solipsism.html' title='Solipsism'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3148939970908693919</id><published>2011-06-02T06:36:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-06-02T06:37:26.928+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Hemelvaart!</title><content type='html'>Volgens Lukas 24:51 het Jesus AL SEËNENDE in die hemel opgevaar. Die gelowige leef nou onder die seënende arms van Christus. Christus het in die hemel opgevaar om sy kinders en die kerk te seën met al die seëninge van verlossing wat Hy verwerf het aan die kruis en deur sy opstanding. Oor die gelowige en oor die kerk van Christus is die uitgestrekte arms van Christus in seën.En niks kan standhou teen Sy saak of teen hulle werk om hulle te vernietig nie. &lt;br /&gt;http://www.reformedwitnesshour.org/1998/1998may17.html&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3148939970908693919?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3148939970908693919/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3148939970908693919' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3148939970908693919'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3148939970908693919'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/06/hemelvaart.html' title='Hemelvaart!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7460612857826522131</id><published>2011-05-31T21:17:00.006+02:00</published><updated>2011-06-02T10:50:51.337+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Evolution for Programmers</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TV7ExcxylVE/TeVPDpfxvbI/AAAAAAAAAEA/1YoIX7A1cn4/s1600/Java_Logo.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5612979434684530098" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TV7ExcxylVE/TeVPDpfxvbI/AAAAAAAAAEA/1YoIX7A1cn4/s200/Java_Logo.jpg" style="cursor: hand; cursor: pointer; float: right; height: 200px; margin: 0 0 10px 10px; width: 200px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Warning, article quite technical, but not impossible for non-programmers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;THE CODE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Consider the following piece of Java code.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;pre style="line-height: 90%;"&gt;// HelloWorld.java&lt;br /&gt;// Very simple Java program&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;public class HelloWorld {&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;public static void main(String[] args) {&lt;br /&gt;System.out.println("Hello, World");&lt;br /&gt;}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;}&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wanted this code to be as simple as possible, maybe Java wasn't the best choice for &lt;i&gt;simple&lt;/i&gt;. This file, HelloWorld.java is 173 characters in size on my Unix based OS, incl. EOL characters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We could do this with any other Programming Language or Scripting Language like C, C++, C#, Visual Basic, Perl, bash, etc. But for now, allow me to stay with Java.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;THE RECIPE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now allow me to do a little thought experiment. I'll compose a simple recipe, call it an algorithm if you like.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Rename this file to HelloWorld.orig.java&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Make a copy of HelloWorld.orig.java, name this copy HelloWorld.java&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Use your favorite random number generator to get a number from 1 to 173 (the size of the file). The simplest way is to pick a number in your brain from 1 to 173. Let's call this number PLACE.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Now look at the keys on your keyboard and pick a printable character, maybe even pick if you want upper or lower case. Let's call this NEW. (NEW can be anything in the range [a..z,A..Z,0..9] and if you're adventurous, it can even be punctuation like !@#$%^&amp;amp;, etc.)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Now start at the first character of the new file, HelloWorld.java and count the number you got from step 3, called PLACE, and replace it by the random character you got from step 4, called NEW. (E.g. if you picked number 4 and say character "Y", the first line will read something like:"// YellowWorld.java")&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Now use your favorite Java compiler (mine is build-in javac) to compile the mutated HelloWorld.java.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;If the compiler fails to compile HelloWorld.java due to some error, e.g. a syntax error, your program dies a premature death and you'll need to try again from Step 2.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;If the program successfully compiles to a .class file, your program has been (un)Naturally Selected to survive. You may now make this your original file for Step 1. and repeat the process.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div&gt;For the less Programmingly inclined, here is a short, simple version of the recipe. We pick one of the characters in the file randomly and then replace it with a random character represented by one of the keys on your keyboard. We then check if this mutated program is still good enough to go through Java's programming rules. If it does, we repeat the experiment, starting with this new mutation, else the mutated file is discarded and we start with the last one that succeeded.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;Question&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I trust the recipe detailed above is simple enough to understand, if not, perhaps reading it a few more times will help, I hope. (&lt;i&gt;It's easy for me to understand, I wrote it. Maybe less easy for me to convey what has been brewing in my mind for some months now.&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now I would like to ask a few questions which I would encourage the reader to ponder on and if you feel the need, kindly answer in the comments section.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If we repeat this recipe many many many times, what are the chances of this program becoming something like Microsoft Word? Or some fancy graphics rich game?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Think about many many many as getting hold of the biggest super computer today and running through trillions and trillions of iterations, many in parallel. Even get together all the top 1000 super computers today and let them all churn away at the problem.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;How likely do you think we are to produce Microsoft Word?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;According to my calculations, zero, nil, nada. There is no chance at all. Because I cannot squeeze all the complexity of Microsoft Word into 173 characters.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;THE PUNCHLINE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, for my actual purpose of this posting. How much different is this to the problem of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis"&gt;Abiogenesis&lt;/a&gt;, i.e. the theory that biological life arisen from inorganic matter through natural processes (apparently in some primordial soup?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now I can almost immediately see emotions being triggered and brains starting to spin to dig up arguments against what I tried to illustrate. I would like to hear about them in the comments. But for now, let me say this. I am convinced that to expect me to believe Abiogenesis actually happened, is the same as believing the above scenario will render Microsoft Word. Life is incredibly complex, even the simplest of life forms. How is it possible that simple non-living macro molecules comes alive and start reproducing?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'll continue in the comments section.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7460612857826522131?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7460612857826522131/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7460612857826522131' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7460612857826522131'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7460612857826522131'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/evolution-for-programmers.html' title='Evolution for Programmers'/><author><name>Danie Loots</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18010349897516680282</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='26' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pY6URF8xtzw/S342fEtFirI/AAAAAAAAAB0/VSijKLfgjLE/S220/JDLoots.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TV7ExcxylVE/TeVPDpfxvbI/AAAAAAAAAEA/1YoIX7A1cn4/s72-c/Java_Logo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4061214493632727463</id><published>2011-05-25T09:21:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-06-08T19:23:16.601+02:00</updated><title type='text'>FERDI MULDER oor RSG!!</title><content type='html'>FERDI MULDER môre-oggend tussen 7 en 8 op RSG oor sy boek OPGESTAAN!! Luister gerus!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4061214493632727463?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4061214493632727463/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4061214493632727463' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4061214493632727463'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4061214493632727463'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/06/ferdi-mulder-oor-rsg.html' title='FERDI MULDER oor RSG!!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2388313494756137659</id><published>2011-05-25T06:32:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-05-25T06:36:29.097+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Opspraakwekkende boek van Ferdie Mulder</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O1RzTVH37b0/TdyHGVmwvjI/AAAAAAAAAO4/zn1FSzUp18w/s1600/opgestaan_boek_ferdie_mulder%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 230px; height: 320px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O1RzTVH37b0/TdyHGVmwvjI/AAAAAAAAAO4/zn1FSzUp18w/s320/opgestaan_boek_ferdie_mulder%255B1%255D.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5610507778745482802" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘n Boek vir Christene wat wonder oor hul eie sowel as Jesus se opstanding uit die dood. Ook inligting oor wat aangegaan het by Tukkies se teologiese fakulteit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lees meer hier:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/boeke-dvds-ens-m/61-boeke-kat/352-opgestaan-ferdie-mulder.html&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2388313494756137659?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2388313494756137659/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2388313494756137659' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2388313494756137659'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2388313494756137659'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/opspraakwekkende-boek-van-ferdie-mulder.html' title='Opspraakwekkende boek van Ferdie Mulder'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O1RzTVH37b0/TdyHGVmwvjI/AAAAAAAAAO4/zn1FSzUp18w/s72-c/opgestaan_boek_ferdie_mulder%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4807468685502419552</id><published>2011-05-22T18:18:00.005+02:00</published><updated>2011-05-23T18:24:44.253+02:00</updated><title type='text'>21 Mei 2011 - Oordeelsdag</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TSfApTuFzaE/TdqKQHvdFbI/AAAAAAAABZ8/sr-Ac51bO4M/s1600/judges-gavel%255B5%255D.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="238" j8="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TSfApTuFzaE/TdqKQHvdFbI/AAAAAAAABZ8/sr-Ac51bO4M/s320/judges-gavel%255B5%255D.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Almal wat hier lees is seker bewus van die hoe-ha wat gemaak is dat 21 Mei 2011 oordeelsdag moes gewees het, of wegraping of iets, soos op &lt;a href="http://www.may-212011.com/"&gt;sommige webblaaie&lt;/a&gt; en sommer reuse advertensie borde ook uitgebasuin was.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My probleem is dat mense soos hierdie alewig 'n vals alarm laat opklink. Wanneer die regte eindtyd kom, gaan die wereld nie meer luister nie, en gaan hulle vir ons lag soos hulle vir hierdie ouens lag. Ek wil amper vermoed dat die wat &lt;b&gt;dan&lt;/b&gt; verlore sal gaan omdat hulle die boodskap ignoreer, se bloed aan die hande gaan wees van die valsalarm makers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My vraag is nou wat moet ek as Christen doen wanneer ek sulke boodskappe kry? Hoe moet ek weet wanneer Jesus nou werklik gaan kom? En wat moet ek daaraan doen?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Eerstens noem die Bybel dat net die Vader weet wanneer Jesus gaan kom. Maar ten spyte daavan, dink ek gaan ons 'n baie duideliker aanduiding he van wanneer Jesus wel gaan kom, of ten minste wanneer hy nog nie gaan kom nie. Hebrieers 5:14 gee my 'n idee hoe om self te weet. In die King James is die woorde:"&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: &amp;quot;Charis SIL&amp;quot;, charis, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Met ander woorde, soos ek dit verstaan, sal ek beter leer onderskei tussen akkurate profesie en valse profesie deur my eie geestelike sintuie te oefen. My verstaan van Handelinge 2:17+18 en 1 Kor. 12 en 1 Kor. 14 is dat ons veronderstel is om die Gawes van die Gees te beoefen, dat dit God se wil en profesie is dat dit wel gaan gebeur in ons tye.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ek dink die probleem is dat die Kerk vir lank hierdie aspek heeltemal verwaarloos het, of selfs totaal vermy het. Die vermyding is waarskynlik omdat daar soveel vals profete was, en nog is, en die vrees vir die skade wat sulke mense kan aanrig. Verder dink ek Matrin Luther het hierdie aspek nie los gereformeer uit die Rooms Katolieke donker eeue nie.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So het die Gawes van die Gees en profetiese gawes meer prominent begin raak in die laaste paar dekades.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ek is oortuig dat die kerk baie beter daarna sal uitsien indien hierdie Gawes ten volle bestudeer word en biddend leiding van God af gevra word. Maar dat dit wel beoefen word en ons onsself toerus uit die Woord en met die leiding van die pioniers wat geken kan word aan die regte vrugte.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Op hierdie manier sal die Kerk, en veral ons Bybelgelowige Christene, nie soos kaf rondgewaai word deur mense wat valse alarms aan die gang sit nie. Ons sal dan Profete en profetiese mense leer ken wat ons kan vertrou, en nie net een persoon of organisasie nie, maar vele. Op hierdie manier sal ek kan weet watter hedendaagse profesiee is nog uitstaande, wat beteken dat Jesus nog nie sal kom nie. Verder glo ek ook dat God deur middel van die Gawes van die Gees en Sy Profete, Sy kinders sal voorberei sodat ons nie totaal verras sal wees nie.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;'n Laaste aanhaling uit die Bybel wat ook 'n teken vir ons behoort te wees van wanneer Jesus weer kom is in Mat. 24:14 "&lt;i&gt;En hierdie evangelie van die koninkryk sal in die hele wêreld verkondig word, sodat al die nasies die getuienis kan hoor. Eers dan sal die einde kom.&lt;/i&gt;" Interresant waarsku die Woord ons juis teen valse profete 3 versies voor hierdie een, in vers 11.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4807468685502419552?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4807468685502419552/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4807468685502419552' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4807468685502419552'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4807468685502419552'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/21-mei-2011-oordeelsdag.html' title='21 Mei 2011 - Oordeelsdag'/><author><name>Danie Loots</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18010349897516680282</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='26' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pY6URF8xtzw/S342fEtFirI/AAAAAAAAAB0/VSijKLfgjLE/S220/JDLoots.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TSfApTuFzaE/TdqKQHvdFbI/AAAAAAAABZ8/sr-Ac51bO4M/s72-c/judges-gavel%255B5%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5059955239162154541</id><published>2011-05-22T13:26:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-05-22T18:09:24.156+02:00</updated><title type='text'>BOEK ONTHUL TEOLOGIESE STRYD BY TUKKIES</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kr8n_C8smW4/Tdj27FT0F8I/AAAAAAAAAOw/XD6Gk5ovsXs/s1600/08ea5fa786e64d239f5695363c05aa27%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5609504830787950530" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kr8n_C8smW4/Tdj27FT0F8I/AAAAAAAAAOw/XD6Gk5ovsXs/s200/08ea5fa786e64d239f5695363c05aa27%255B1%255D.jpg" style="cursor: hand; float: right; height: 200px; margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px; width: 157px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ferdie Mulder se boek onthul teologiese stryd by Tukkies, lees meer in Rapport vandag hier (die gedrukte Rapport het meer inligting): &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Boek-onthul-teologiese-stryd-by-universiteit-20110521"&gt;http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Boek-onthul-teologiese-stryd-by-universiteit-20110521&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5059955239162154541?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5059955239162154541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5059955239162154541' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5059955239162154541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5059955239162154541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/boek-onthul-teologiese-stryd-by-tukkies.html' title='BOEK ONTHUL TEOLOGIESE STRYD BY TUKKIES'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kr8n_C8smW4/Tdj27FT0F8I/AAAAAAAAAOw/XD6Gk5ovsXs/s72-c/08ea5fa786e64d239f5695363c05aa27%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3917905266215253765</id><published>2011-05-15T13:49:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2011-05-16T18:13:48.932+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Is dit sonde om te rook?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LP9ztdSBVNo/Tc_BeKjjerI/AAAAAAAAAD4/rUhnuj4QJV4/s1600/no-smoking.gif" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5606912785073273522" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LP9ztdSBVNo/Tc_BeKjjerI/AAAAAAAAAD4/rUhnuj4QJV4/s200/no-smoking.gif" style="cursor: hand; float: right; height: 195px; margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px; width: 200px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eintlik moes die titel net "&lt;b&gt;Sonde&lt;/b&gt;" of iets soos "&lt;b&gt;Wat is sonde?&lt;/b&gt;" gewees het, maar ek het gedink hierdie titel sal meer aandag trek.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ek het nou al baie keer heen en weer redenasies gehoor of iets sonde is of nie. Ek wil probeer 'n paar stukkies rofwerk in my gedagtes hier neersit, dalk probeer om 'n paar vrae gestel te kry en hopelik ook geantwoord te kry? Miskien laat ek my te veel beinvloed deur die Liberaliste, maar ek wil nie graag begin aantuigings maak oor watter goed sonde is en watter nie. Die eerste deel sal ek probeer Liberalis-vriendelik hou.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Daar is vir my twee aspekte rondom vrae aangaande sonde. &lt;i&gt;Eerstens&lt;/i&gt; wonder ek oor die &lt;b&gt;motief&lt;/b&gt; van iemand wat probeer bewys iets is sonde (dit sluit my in). Hoekom wil ons so graag sekere dinge geklassifiseer kry as "sonde" en stry dat bitterlik dat sekere ander dinge nie sonde is nie?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ek ken iemand wat oppad was om 'n argument te maak dat dit sonde is om 'n motor te ry wat baie koolstofgasse uitlaat en nie 'n meer ekonomiese en omgewings vriendelike motor nie. Hierdie selfde persoon het op sy rekenaar verskeie prentjies van yl geklede jong dames en sien blykbaar niks daarmee fout nie, al is hy getroud.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hieroor, oor die motief agter dade klasifiseer as Sonde, sal ek later meer gesels.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Die &lt;i&gt;tweede&lt;/i&gt; aspek is die effek van sonde. Wat gebeur as ek sonde doen? Kan dit my dalk help om dade te klasifiseer as sondes of nie?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Miskien moet ek iewers ook iets se oor my belewenis van Jesus wat nie net gekom het om ons te verlos van die hel wat ons verdien nie (&lt;i&gt;skuus liberaliste&lt;/i&gt;), maar wat my ook kom vry maak van die slawerny van sonde, hoe Hy my kry om 'n sonde te los (of minder te doen) en hoe &lt;i&gt;dit&lt;/i&gt; my vrymaak, dat ek nie meer die slaaf van daardie sonde is nie.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;Lees asb. verder in die kommentaar. &lt;/i&gt;(Terloops, ek gaan nog my die rook uitkom)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3917905266215253765?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3917905266215253765/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3917905266215253765' title='25 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3917905266215253765'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3917905266215253765'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/is-dit-sonde-om-te-rook.html' title='Is dit sonde om te rook?'/><author><name>Danie Loots</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18010349897516680282</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='26' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pY6URF8xtzw/S342fEtFirI/AAAAAAAAAB0/VSijKLfgjLE/S220/JDLoots.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LP9ztdSBVNo/Tc_BeKjjerI/AAAAAAAAAD4/rUhnuj4QJV4/s72-c/no-smoking.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>25</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3356659875493530772</id><published>2011-05-07T07:57:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-05-07T08:05:14.433+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Lesenswaardige artikels ....</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dMzMZoNrYI4/TcThBu9b96I/AAAAAAAAAOg/DtmkGBL6BpU/s1600/1304083133%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 156px; height: 200px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dMzMZoNrYI4/TcThBu9b96I/AAAAAAAAAOg/DtmkGBL6BpU/s200/1304083133%255B1%255D.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5603851256257574818" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Los die Coke en chips, dis sleg vir jou lewer, niere en tande. Koop liewer hierdie maand se JUIG. Lekker sinvolle artikels oor Fundamentalisme; Hoekom Sekulêre linkses Christen-Regses verag, en ‘n dringende beroep op leraars en ouers (MOET LEES!)&lt;br /&gt;http://www.juig.co.za/issue.php&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3356659875493530772?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.juig.co.za/issue.php' title='Lesenswaardige artikels ....'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3356659875493530772/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3356659875493530772' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3356659875493530772'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3356659875493530772'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/lesenswaardige-artikels.html' title='Lesenswaardige artikels ....'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dMzMZoNrYI4/TcThBu9b96I/AAAAAAAAAOg/DtmkGBL6BpU/s72-c/1304083133%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-860817973586158698</id><published>2011-05-05T08:00:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-05-05T19:45:54.246+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Natuurlike Wet.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_aHQYweis40w/TcI89SDua8I/AAAAAAAAALA/04jthdPBiCg/Backgrounds_19627.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="266" src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_aHQYweis40w/TcI89SDua8I/AAAAAAAAALA/04jthdPBiCg/Backgrounds_19627.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Natuurlike Wet: Die waarde van die natuurlike wet in alle mense se harte. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Romans 2:14 14 Wanneer heidene, wat nie die wet het nie, tog vanself dinge doen wat die wet vereis, is hulle vir hulleself'n wet al het hulle nie die wet nie. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Daar is vir my iets wat die mens in hierdie verband begin ontken het en Paulus spreek dit aan. Hy erken dat die boosheid van die mens se natuur nie dierlik is nie maar uit bewustelike ongehoorsaamheid aan die natuurlike wet van God kom. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Een van die grootste ongeregtigheid uit die hart van morele mense is die ontkenning van God se natuurlike wet in die harte van immorele mense. Dit is die verantwoordelikheid van enige beskawing om moraliteit as 'n universele waarheid te sien en uit te leef.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Die mens is so wonderlik onafhanlik in ons denke dat as ons onsself oortuig dat ons maar net diere is dan sal ons die ganse realiteit in hierdie gedagte indwing. Hierdie vermoeë om onsself teen die universele waarhede te stel maak die mens ongelooflik gevaarlik, maar dieselfde vermoeë kan ingespan word om die ganse realiteit van ons bestaan ongelooflik mooi en veilig te maak. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-860817973586158698?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/860817973586158698/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=860817973586158698' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/860817973586158698'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/860817973586158698'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/05/natuurlike-wet.html' title='Natuurlike Wet.'/><author><name>Michael</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12218303841952833621</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='21' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aHQYweis40w/SJ1FCNn4vuI/AAAAAAAAAA4/MvJFGjRCPPU/s1600-R/gse_multipart52059.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://lh6.ggpht.com/_aHQYweis40w/TcI89SDua8I/AAAAAAAAALA/04jthdPBiCg/s72-c/Backgrounds_19627.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2920824692331244080</id><published>2011-04-29T07:30:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-29T07:31:02.034+02:00</updated><title type='text'>"Kyk, Hy kom!"</title><content type='html'>Kom ons sit vasgenael en verkyk ons aan die luisterryke troue van William en Kate, maar kom ons kyk vorentoe, na ‘n duisendemale heerliker geleentheid, wanneer ons Bruidegom ons kom haal! &lt;br /&gt;http://www.webwoord.co.za/MediaFiles/%5Cgs166.txt&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2920824692331244080?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.webwoord.co.za/MediaFiles/%5Cgs166.txt' title='&quot;Kyk, Hy kom!&quot;'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2920824692331244080/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2920824692331244080' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2920824692331244080'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2920824692331244080'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/04/kyk-hy-kom.html' title='&quot;Kyk, Hy kom!&quot;'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-9150823296918343198</id><published>2011-04-28T06:51:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-30T20:20:29.028+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Die verheerliking van Nie-weet-kunde</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_0mBmnpIAjk/TbxSrH_K3xI/AAAAAAAABYo/EG0vD5hEb04/s1600/EIERD.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" j8="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_0mBmnpIAjk/TbxSrH_K3xI/AAAAAAAABYo/EG0vD5hEb04/s320/EIERD.jpg" width="177" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Een van die uitstaande kenmerke van die aanhangers van postmodernisme (‘n goeie vriendin van my praat van postmortemiste;)))) , is die verheerliking van Nie-weet-kunde. Die uitspreek van onsekerhede, wegskram van wat die waarheid is en ontkenning, word tot die oulikste eierdansies verfyn. Die enigste ding wat hulle van harte weet, is dat hulle nie weet nie ....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is Christene dan arrogant om te sing : “Ek weet verseker, dat Jesus leef!”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-9150823296918343198?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/9150823296918343198/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=9150823296918343198' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/9150823296918343198'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/9150823296918343198'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/04/die-verheerliking-van-nie-weet-kunde.html' title='Die verheerliking van Nie-weet-kunde'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_0mBmnpIAjk/TbxSrH_K3xI/AAAAAAAABYo/EG0vD5hEb04/s72-c/EIERD.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2281769732589250309</id><published>2011-04-19T12:00:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-19T12:28:59.131+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Diferziteit….tegentrijdighydt.</title><content type='html'>Wat is diversiteit en wat is dit nie? Word diversiteit naderhand teenstrydigheid? Is teenstrydigheid diversiteit se oortreffende trap? Of is teenstrydigheid die teenoorgestelde van diversiteit?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2281769732589250309?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2281769732589250309/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2281769732589250309' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2281769732589250309'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2281769732589250309'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/04/diferziteittegentrijdighydt.html' title='Diferziteit….tegentrijdighydt.'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1269105164113518068</id><published>2011-04-12T20:50:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-12T21:06:16.788+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Arm soos 'n Kerkmuis?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dMDDl3AKhEA/TaShWJomHvI/AAAAAAAAADs/LAAsgtzvvD8/s1600/church-money.jpeg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dMDDl3AKhEA/TaShWJomHvI/AAAAAAAAADs/LAAsgtzvvD8/s400/church-money.jpeg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5594774039016382194" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ek wou lankal iets hieroor plaas, oor wat die regte verhouding behoort te wees tussen die Kerk en geld. Toe lees ek die artikel hieronder genoem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ek het vrae soos:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Is 'n kerk veronderstel om nie baie geld te he nie?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Is 'n Christen veronderstel om nie baie geld te he nie?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Mag ek bid vir rykdom? Mag ek bid dat ek / my maatskappy 'n tender wen, of ons besigheid floreer?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maar laat ek nie te veel nou se nie. Hierdie artikel het iemand op Facebook gedeel. Lees gerus en laat weet wat julle dink.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lees gerus ook die kommentaar op die weblog self. Ek sal die artikel self plaas as kommentaar op hierdie inleiding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.247apps.co.za/_blog/Kerk_247_Netwerk/post/Geld_en_Kerk/"&gt;Geld en Kerk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1269105164113518068?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1269105164113518068/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1269105164113518068' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1269105164113518068'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1269105164113518068'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/04/arm-soos-n-kerkmuis.html' title='Arm soos &apos;n Kerkmuis?'/><author><name>Danie Loots</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18010349897516680282</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='26' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pY6URF8xtzw/S342fEtFirI/AAAAAAAAAB0/VSijKLfgjLE/S220/JDLoots.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dMDDl3AKhEA/TaShWJomHvI/AAAAAAAAADs/LAAsgtzvvD8/s72-c/church-money.jpeg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7853188189170972379</id><published>2011-04-12T19:25:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-13T11:04:04.422+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Ongelyke Speelveld in die media</title><content type='html'>Wat [hier] op Diversiteitsforum gebeur, bewys net die waarheid van een van die hoofstukke in ons boek, “ Die Trojaanse perd in die NG Kerk “ waar dit gaan oor die ongelyke speelveld in die media, dat moderators en webmeesters bepaal wat word geplaas en wat nie. Charles Malan oefen hier sy “mag en gesag” uit as webbestuurder om te bepaal wie se skrywes bly staan en wie s’n word weggeveeg. Waarom is die plasing van T.C.Breitenbach weggeneem, maar Stefan Nel s’n bly staan?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QSi-H5ehmE8/TaVmu7qe9DI/AAAAAAAABXE/ME9mc8l2TrM/s1600/uneven-playing-field.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="135" i8="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QSi-H5ehmE8/TaVmu7qe9DI/AAAAAAAABXE/ME9mc8l2TrM/s200/uneven-playing-field.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Wat dit hierdie keer so eienaardig maak is dat Charles ander mense wat die TV uitsending gesien het, uitgenooi het om deel te neem . Op 11 April skryf hy: “Solank ons aanvaar die program handel wel oor diversiteit, is daar geen rede om die debat daaroor stop te sit nie. Laat ander dus deelneem”. Hier is T.C.Breitenbach s’n weer vir dié wat dit nog nie gelees het nie: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Die gesprek van Sondagoggend op TV 2 onder die titel,"Religion and Science", het in Croucamp se studeerkamer plaasgevind wat waarskynlik aan hom 'n sielkundige "tuisvoordeel" besorg het, en derhalwe 'n rede kon wees vir sy dominerende en onsmaaklik steurende tussenwerpsels gedurende die gesprek, veral tydens dr.Klaasing se deelnemende inset, so asof hy haar met minder agting bejeën het as vir Hennie Mouton. Geyser het beslis nie reg laat geskied aan die billikheidseis van gesprekvoering nie, maar in sy fasiliteringsrol gefaal. Hy het te veel tyd aan Croucamp afgestaan en hom vrye teuels gegee. Waarom juis 'n ateïs-wetenskaplike die wetenskapskant moes verteenwoordig en nie 'n Christenwetenskaplike nie, is waarskynlik doelbewus so beplan om Mouton en Klaasing in die ongelyk te probeer stel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Vir my het die godsdiens-wetenskapgesprek spoedig 'n teïsties-ateïstiese karakter aangeneem, twee onversoenbare uiterstes wat, soos vooraf reeds voorsien kon word, geen konstruktiewe bydrae tot so 'n gesprek sou kon lewer nie. Daar is dus beslis 'n dieper dimensie opgesluit in dié gesprek as bloot die voor die hand liggende.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mouton het sy basisveronderstelling,dat hy die volkome korrektheid van die Bybel as die Woord van God aanvaar (en dat wetenskappe soos die Geologie en die Argeologie dié waarhede juis bevestig), goed geformuleer. Hy het, teenoor Croucamp se krampagtig-evolusionistiese vertrekpunt, dit duidelik gestel dat God Bo-natuurlik geskep het; dat God verskillende soorte geskep het (waarvolgens een soort ook nie in 'n ander soort oorgaan nie), en dat dood - anders as evolusioniste te kenne gee - eers na die sondeval deel van ons werklikheid geword het.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Klaasing het veral gewys op die geloofsdimensie van die menslike bestaan, en wat nie geweeg, gemeet en/of bereken kan word soos in die geval van die natuurwetenskaplike metode nie. Voorbeelde hiervan is liefde en waardes. In sy reaksie hierop het Croucamp beweer dat geloof nie mense van enigiets kan red nie; daar is, volgens hom, nog nooit enige wetenskaplike bewyse daarvoor gevind nie. Met dié stelling mag Croucamp homself dalk op baie dun ys bevind. Hieruit is dit duidelik dat Croucamp nie die geloofsdimensie van die menslike bestaan erken nie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In sy reaksie op dié gesprek het Jean Oosthuizen, navorsingskonsultant vir dié uitsending en nuusredakteur van die NG Kerk se Kerkbode-tydskrif, gesê: "Dis nie reg om toe te laat dat mense hulself so vergat op nasionale TV soos Hennie Sesdag en ta Hetta Klaagster nie." Hieruit is dit nie moeilik om vas te stel waar sy lojaliteit lê nie. Oosthuizen se kommentaar, sowel as sommige van die kommentare op hierdie forum, getuig van die waarheid van die bekende uitdrukkings: "Soort soek soort", en: "'n Mens word aan jou vriende geken."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dit sou besonder interessant wees om die ongeredigeerde weergawe van die volledige opname van hierdie gesprek te kon sien. Croucamp se lyftaal, sy gesigsuitdrukkings by geleentheid en sy baie praat het my laat dink dat hy, in 'n verloorsituasie, dit reeds tot 'n fyn kuns ontwikkel het om homself as wenner voor te doen. Anders as Mouton en Klaasing tree hy nogal dikwels voor die TV-kameras op, en geniet hy dus 'n voorsprong op hulle vanuit dié hoek gesien. Vir 'n persoon met sodanige ervaring, was hy beslis nie die meerdere van Mouton en Klaasing nie. Hierdie ronde ken ek aan laasgenoemde twee deelnemers toe.”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7853188189170972379?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7853188189170972379/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7853188189170972379' title='30 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7853188189170972379'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7853188189170972379'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/04/ongelyke-speelveld-in-die-media.html' title='Ongelyke Speelveld in die media'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QSi-H5ehmE8/TaVmu7qe9DI/AAAAAAAABXE/ME9mc8l2TrM/s72-c/uneven-playing-field.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>30</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2136144133223465928</id><published>2011-04-05T13:53:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-05T14:01:24.147+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Geloof van die Jakobelinge?</title><content type='html'>Met die term "Jakobelinge" bedoel ek die afstamelinge van Jakob tydens hulle verblyf in Egipte, 70 in getal. Hulle word wel die "kinders van Israel" en "Israeliete" genoem, maar was hulle toe al 'n volk of 'n nasie? Ek dink nie so nie. Was hulle JHWHiste? Ek is nie so seker daarvan nie.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2136144133223465928?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2136144133223465928/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2136144133223465928' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2136144133223465928'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2136144133223465928'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/04/geloof-van-die-jakobelinge.html' title='Geloof van die Jakobelinge?'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-8803921183276028122</id><published>2011-03-31T12:49:00.008+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-02T05:50:14.166+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Nuwe argeologiese vonds - dalk die grootste sedert die Dooie See rolle!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0mm 0mm 10pt; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-outline-level: 1;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: large; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-font-kerning: 18.0pt;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Seventy metal books found in cave in Jordan could change our view of Biblical history -&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;by Fiona Macrae&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RfWoY65nZ_o/TZRfaUWoPwI/AAAAAAAABWs/LlwItNL_ec4/s1600/lost+tablets+1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="233" r6="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RfWoY65nZ_o/TZRfaUWoPwI/AAAAAAAABWs/LlwItNL_ec4/s400/lost+tablets+1.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: large; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-font-kerning: 18.0pt;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 105%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;For scholars of faith and history, it is a treasure trove too precious for price.&lt;/div&gt;This ancient collection of 70 tiny books, their lead pages bound with wire, could unlock some of the secrets of the earliest days of Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Academics are divided as to their authenticity but say that if verified, they could prove as pivotal as the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On pages not much bigger than a credit card, are images, symbols and words that appear to refer to the Messiah and, possibly even, to the Crucifixion and Resurrection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Adding to the intrigue, many of the books are sealed, prompting academics to speculate they are actually the lost collection of codices mentioned in the Bible’s Book Of Revelation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The books were discovered five years ago in a cave in a remote part of Jordan to which Christian refugees are known to have fled after the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD. Important documents from the same period have previously been found there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PGwhShqPFcw/TZRcFA5ZOdI/AAAAAAAABWo/6SHxLkH8d_Q/s1600/lost+tablets+2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="218" r6="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PGwhShqPFcw/TZRcFA5ZOdI/AAAAAAAABWo/6SHxLkH8d_Q/s320/lost+tablets+2.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Initial metallurgical tests indicate that some of the books could date from the first century AD. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This estimate is based on the form of corrosion which has taken place, which experts believe would be impossible to achieve artificially.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the dating is verified, the books would be among the earliest Christian documents, predating the writings of St Paul.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The prospect that they could contain contemporary accounts of the final years of Jesus’s life has excited scholars – although their enthusiasm is tempered by the fact that experts have previously been fooled by sophisticated fakes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David Elkington, a British scholar of ancient religious history and archeology, and one of the few to have examined the books, says they could be ‘the major discovery of Christian history’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘It is a breathtaking thought that we have held these objects that might have been held by the early saints of the Church,’ he said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the mysteries between their ancient pages are not the books’ only riddle. Today, their whereabouts are also something of a mystery. After their discovery by a Jordanian Bedouin, the hoard was subsequently acquired by an Israeli Bedouin, who is said to have illegally smuggled them across the border into Israel, where they remain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, the Jordanian Government is now working at the highest levels to repatriate and safeguard the collection. Philip Davies, emeritus professor of biblical studies at Sheffield University, said there was powerful evidence that the books have a Christian origin in plates cast into a picture map of the holy city of Jerusalem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘As soon as I saw that, I was dumbstruck,’ he said. ‘That struck me as so obviously a Christian image. There is a cross in the foreground, and behind it is what has to be the tomb [of Jesus], a small building with an opening, and behind that the walls of the city. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘There are walls depicted on other pages of these books too and they almost certainly refer to Jerusalem. It is a Christian crucifixion taking place outside the city walls.’&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The British team leading the work on the discovery fears that the present Israeli ‘keeper’ may be looking to sell some of the books on to the black market, or worse – destroy them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the man who holds the books denies the charge and claims they have been in his family for 100 years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a -scrolls-70-metal-books-cave-jordan-change-view-biblical-history.html#ixzz1i6d87dts="" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1371290/Could-biggest-Dead-Sea"&gt;Read more&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-8803921183276028122?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/8803921183276028122/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=8803921183276028122' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8803921183276028122'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8803921183276028122'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/nuwe-argeologiese-vonds-dalk-die.html' title='Nuwe argeologiese vonds - dalk die grootste sedert die Dooie See rolle!'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RfWoY65nZ_o/TZRfaUWoPwI/AAAAAAAABWs/LlwItNL_ec4/s72-c/lost+tablets+1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3764556791903464277</id><published>2011-03-30T07:10:00.015+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-10T16:47:46.373+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Godsdiens (Religion)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rxeGeqo0mBA/TaHC0Rw4hSI/AAAAAAAABW4/ODOGo3EbgzM/s1600/fariseers1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="176" r6="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rxeGeqo0mBA/TaHC0Rw4hSI/AAAAAAAABW4/ODOGo3EbgzM/s200/fariseers1.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Ek het die laaste paar jaar baie oor hierdie onderwerp gehoor en gelees. Ek wil nie te veel uitbrei oor wat ek daaronder verstaan nie. Ek sal baie graag wil hoor wat julle hiervan dink.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die vraag gaan oor die Godsdienstige Christene (Engels, Religious Christians).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2 style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Josh MacDowell&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;In Josh MacDowell so ongelooflike vertelling van &lt;a href="http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/07/he-changed-my-life-josh-mcdowell.html"&gt;hoe Jesus sy lewe verander het&lt;/a&gt;, noem hy die volgende: "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;'Tell me, what changed your lives? Why are you so different from other students and faculty?' She looked me straight in the eye and said two words I had never expected to hear in an intelligent discussion on a university campus: 'Jesus Christ.' 'Jesus Christ?' I snapped. 'Don't give me that kind of garbage. I'm fed up with &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;religion&lt;/span&gt;, the Bible, and the church.' She quickly shot back, 'Mister, I didn't say &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;religion&lt;/span&gt;: I said Jesus Christ.' Taken aback by the girl's courage and conviction, I apologized for my attitude. 'But I'm sick and tired of &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;religion&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;religious&lt;/span&gt; people,' I added. 'I don't want anything to do with it.' &lt;/span&gt;(Vetdruk deur myself bygevoeg)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Waarvan praat hierdie jong dame wanneer sy antwoord: "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mister, I didn't say '&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;religion&lt;/span&gt;': I said 'Jesus Christ'&lt;/span&gt;"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Rick Pino&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;Die Gospel sanger, Rick Pino, het 'n album, "The Undiscovered". Agterop die CD, staan daar in groot letters: "&lt;em&gt;HOLY GHOST ADVISORY - CONTENT WILL OFFEND THE RELIGIOUS".&lt;/em&gt; Op daardie selfde album, in die liedtjie "Garment of Praise", sing hy die woorde: "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ding Dong, the Witch is dead, the weak old Witch, Religion Witch. Ding Dong, the wicked Witch is dead.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Waarvan praat Rick Pino hier? Wat is hierdie "Religion Witch"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Paulus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;Laastens, het hierdise dinge enigsins iets te doen met 1 Kor. 1:23? In vers 22 en 23 staan: "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Die Jode vra wondertekens en die Grieke soek wysheid, maar ons verkondig Christus wat gekruisig is. Vir die Jode is dit 'n aanstoot en vir die ander is dit onsin,&lt;/span&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ek verstaan die deel dat vir die Grieke / heidene die Evangelie van Jesus na onsin klink, maar vir die Jode (Fariseers?) is die Evangelie 'n aanstoot. In die King James: "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness&lt;/span&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is daar enige verband tussen die Jode / Fariseers van Jesus en Paulus se tyd en die "Religious" waarvan Josh MacDowell, Rick Pino en baie ander predikers vandag van praat?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ek brand om van julle te hoor."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3764556791903464277?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3764556791903464277/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3764556791903464277' title='22 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3764556791903464277'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3764556791903464277'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/godsdiens-religion.html' title='Godsdiens (Religion)'/><author><name>Danie Loots</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18010349897516680282</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='26' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pY6URF8xtzw/S342fEtFirI/AAAAAAAAAB0/VSijKLfgjLE/S220/JDLoots.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rxeGeqo0mBA/TaHC0Rw4hSI/AAAAAAAABW4/ODOGo3EbgzM/s72-c/fariseers1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>22</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5680925945576739477</id><published>2011-03-29T06:42:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-29T06:44:18.079+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Transendentale werklikheid</title><content type='html'>Hebreërs 11 is seker een van die hoofstukke in die Bybel waar dit die duidelikse merkbaar is... (lees verder)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5680925945576739477?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5680925945576739477/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5680925945576739477' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5680925945576739477'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5680925945576739477'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/transendentale-werklikheid.html' title='Transendentale werklikheid'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-272882466965309757</id><published>2011-03-28T06:18:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-28T06:25:18.224+02:00</updated><title type='text'>What if Jesus had never been born?</title><content type='html'>“A DVD that explores Christ’s positive impact in many areas of today’s society”.  (D. James Kennedy)&lt;br /&gt;(Read on)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-272882466965309757?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/272882466965309757/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=272882466965309757' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/272882466965309757'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/272882466965309757'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/what-if-jesus-had-never-been-born.html' title='What if Jesus had never been born?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7000075138332019929</id><published>2011-03-24T13:27:00.005+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-25T16:07:05.885+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Wat as die Here nie bestaan het nie?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l3PHzeqIfHU/TYyhe3s--mI/AAAAAAAABUI/9RpZggBCh7g/s1600/flame.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" r6="true" src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l3PHzeqIfHU/TYyhe3s--mI/AAAAAAAABUI/9RpZggBCh7g/s1600/flame.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Ek dink dit was Voltaire wat hierdie vraag gevra het en toe geantwoord het, dat ons Hom dan sou moes uitvind. Ek kan aan twee redes dink waarom die mens dit sou nodig vind: Om Hom te blameer vir alles wat verkeerd loop, of daarteenstellend, om Hom te dank vir alles wat reg loop.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dink ‘n bietjie aan die implikasies hiervan. Maar ‘n bietjie van ‘n eensydige en eendimensionele siening, dink jy nie? En ‘n weerspieëling van ‘n realitietsbeskouing. A-godiste voel seker dis veiliger om die Here te blameer – want as Hy nie daar was nie, dan sou hulle ‘n mens moes blameer, wat definitief sal reageer. Die natuur kan hulle nie blameer nie, want dis ‘n lewelose ding sonder ‘n “wil” (Tensy jy in Gaie glo maar dit sou ek ook nie waag nie, want mens weet nooit tot watter mate Gaia haar grimmigheid op jou sal uithaal nie!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kom ons aanvaar dat daar nog ‘n skepping (insluitende jy) hier sou wees, want die skepping kan ons nie ontken nie. Wat dink jy sou die implikasies wees as die Here nie bestaan het nie?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7000075138332019929?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7000075138332019929/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7000075138332019929' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7000075138332019929'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7000075138332019929'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/wat-as-die-here-nie-bestaan-het-nie.html' title='Wat as die Here nie bestaan het nie?'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l3PHzeqIfHU/TYyhe3s--mI/AAAAAAAABUI/9RpZggBCh7g/s72-c/flame.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5823293838226075750</id><published>2011-03-20T10:59:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-20T15:46:41.920+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Fundamentalisme? Nee, vrysinnigheid!</title><content type='html'>In ‘n insiggewende repliek in Rapport vandag toon Prof Johan Janse van Rensburg die verskil tussen dié twee begrippe, en ook gevolge van dié benaderings. Lees hier: &lt;a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Weekliks/Nuus/Fundamentalisme-Nee-vrysinnigheid-20110318"&gt;http://www.rapport.co.za/Weekliks/Nuus/Fundamentalisme-Nee-vrysinnigheid-20110318&lt;/a&gt; ) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ons is ook opgewonde oor en sien uit na ‘n nuwe boek uit sy pen, “’n Ander Jesus, 'n ander evangelie” wat later vanjaar gaan verskyn.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5823293838226075750?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5823293838226075750/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5823293838226075750' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5823293838226075750'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5823293838226075750'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/fundamentalisme-nee-vrysinnigheid.html' title='Fundamentalisme? Nee, vrysinnigheid!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-10560837034425015</id><published>2011-03-15T14:31:00.005+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-15T19:43:16.571+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Soek Frits Gaum skoor?</title><content type='html'>Het Gaum ‘n appeltjie te skil met die NG Kerk? Dit wil amper so lyk, as mens ‘n berig in die Rapport reg verstaan (kyk hier: &lt;a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Fluit-fluit-is-die-NG-Kerk-dalk-uit-vra-Frits-Gaum-20110312"&gt;http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Fluit-fluit-is-die-NG-Kerk-dalk-uit-vra-Frits-Gaum-20110312&lt;/a&gt; ). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dit blyk ook dat hy ingekoop het op die heersende postmodernistiese tydsgees, want volgens die berig sê hy: “Die kerk sal moet leer om dinge met minder sekerheid te sê” en “teoloë moet ophou om voor te gee of hulle vaste antwoorde op sulke kwessies het en meer erns met twyfel en onsekerheid moet maak” . As voorbeeld verwys hy na die boek “Die eerste vyf minute ná die dood” deur dr. Izak Burger, president van die AGS, waarin die hiernamaals beskryf word. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Blykbaar het hy ‘n boek geskryf met die subtiele titel (wat in die berig “alarmisties: genoem word): “Fluit-fluit, die kerk is uit?” In die boek wat na bewering in Mei gaan verskyn, neem hy glo “veel meer progressiewe standpunte in” as in vorige skrywes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Volgens Johannes de Villiers, die skrywer van die berig gaan die boek ‘n “knuppel in die teologiese hoenderhok gooi”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die emotiewe aard van die uitdrukkings in die berig laat mens wonder: Soek Frits Gaum skoor met die NG kerk? En as dit so is, wat is sy oogmerk daarmee?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-10560837034425015?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/10560837034425015/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=10560837034425015' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/10560837034425015'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/10560837034425015'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/soek-frits-gaum-skoor.html' title='Soek Frits Gaum skoor?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7338793476476973313</id><published>2011-03-14T10:40:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-14T13:37:17.824+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Versoeking</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6Zo7R1e03yQ/TX39Pmvs1lI/AAAAAAAABSI/I9NpY2Bf8gU/s1600/imagesCA6UDN2R.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="199" q6="true" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6Zo7R1e03yQ/TX39Pmvs1lI/AAAAAAAABSI/I9NpY2Bf8gU/s320/imagesCA6UDN2R.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;In die Tuin is die tweetjies versoek deur vir hulle te sê hulle kan soos die Skepper wees (Gen. 3:5). Wel, wel, wel, ek dog dan hulle was alreeds soos die Skepper (Gen. 1:26). Het hulle dan nie gedink nie, of wat? En dit bly maar altyddeur 'n sekularis se versoeking - dat die skepping self ook skepper is deur dit self voort te bring en dat die kroon van die skepping (dis nou ons, glo dit as jy kan) verdere skeppingwerk sal doen. Inderdaad wil die sekularis skepper speel. Dit is een manier om versoeking te hanteer - gee daaraan toe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die ander manier is natuurlik Christus se manier - weerstaan die versoeking (Mat. 4:1 - 11). Eers op fisiese vlak en toe op ander maniere. Maar ek wil hierdie nia na 'n preek laat klink nie, so ek swyg eers oor die dieper betekenis wat dit vir my het.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eerder wil ek jou versoek om deel te neem deur jou gedagtes met my te deel.&lt;br /&gt;Van kleins af word ons geleer dat dit verkeerd is om aan versoekings toe te gee. Dit moet eerder weerstaan word. So, wat gaan jy doen, toegee of weerstaan? Ek het jou, tensy jy aan 'n derde hanteringsopsie kan dink.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ek hoop jy sweet eers so bietjie intellektueel, want se nou maar 'n agodis nader jou met so 'n scenario, hoe gaan jy maak? Daar is m.i. tog 'n derde reaksie, maar praat jy eers vir 'n slag.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7338793476476973313?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7338793476476973313/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7338793476476973313' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7338793476476973313'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7338793476476973313'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/versoeking.html' title='Versoeking'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6Zo7R1e03yQ/TX39Pmvs1lI/AAAAAAAABSI/I9NpY2Bf8gU/s72-c/imagesCA6UDN2R.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-8494940888220309298</id><published>2011-03-12T07:12:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-12T12:07:33.545+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Maranata!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8BGCINEtorE/TXtFInNi6dI/AAAAAAAABSE/acCAFiwSu6w/s1600/74494_131346440254342_104693716252948_153464_2628564_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" q6="true" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8BGCINEtorE/TXtFInNi6dI/AAAAAAAABSE/acCAFiwSu6w/s320/74494_131346440254342_104693716252948_153464_2628564_n.jpg" width="227" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Laat ons bid vir die mense van Japan en oral waar die tsoenami’s en ander watervloede angs en verwoesting saai. &lt;br /&gt;Luk 21:25-25: “Daar sal wondertekens wees wat die son, maan en sterre betref. En op die aarde sal daar onrus onder die nasies wees uit angs VIR DIE GEBULDER VAN DIE SEE EN SY GOLWE. Mense sal flou word van vrees en die voorbodes van wat nog oor die bewoonde wêreld aan die kom is, want die kragte van die hemel sal geskud word”. (Nuwe Lewende vertaling)&lt;br /&gt;“Jesus sê Hy kom weer, Hy kom uit die hemel neer ....” (uit &lt;br /&gt;Liedboek: 518)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;(But Now, our KING of KINGS JESUS is coming back soon as the LION OF JUDAH &amp;amp; not as the Lamb of God! REVELATION 5:5 says - " Behold, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.")&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-8494940888220309298?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/8494940888220309298/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=8494940888220309298' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8494940888220309298'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8494940888220309298'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/maranata.html' title='Maranata!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8BGCINEtorE/TXtFInNi6dI/AAAAAAAABSE/acCAFiwSu6w/s72-c/74494_131346440254342_104693716252948_153464_2628564_n.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2508347878617552537</id><published>2011-03-02T08:11:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-02T08:12:45.951+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Gebed werk nie, mediteer eerder</title><content type='html'>In ‘n neutedop is dit die nuutste verkondigde wysheid van ‘n sekere NGK predikant. As voorbeeld noem hy slegs een soort gebed – gebed om beskerming – sonder om die gebruiklike “as die U wil is” by te voeg. Dit laat die vraag oor hoe hy (sekerlik as verteenwoordigend van baie ander) gebed sien en verstaan. Dalk gaan dit vir hom primêr oor persoonlike behoefte en begeerte bevrediging en basta met wat die wil van die Here is? Ten diepste gaan dit sekerlik oor hoe ‘n mens oor die Here dink. Party se gebede laat dit lyk of die Here net moet regstaan om ons behoeftes en begeertes te vervul. Hoe kan mens sê jy dien die Here maar aanhoudend dinge van Hom vra. Vra ‘n kneg dan aanhoudend dinge van sy eienaar? Ons weet almal wat die model gebed is en is dit al riglyn wat ons moet gebruik of is daar ander perspektiewe ook op gebed? Mag mens vir persoonlike behoeftes en begeertes ook bid en wat dan van “diegene wat bid sal ontvang”?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Om te bid is om in gesprek met die Here te verkeer, om te mediteer is om oor die Here te dink. Ligjare se verskil.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2508347878617552537?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2508347878617552537/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2508347878617552537' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2508347878617552537'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2508347878617552537'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/gebed-werk-nie-mediteer-eerder.html' title='Gebed werk nie, mediteer eerder'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-537351066480020899</id><published>2011-02-24T15:18:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-02-24T15:22:07.552+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Die siel</title><content type='html'>(moet ‘n mens “van die mens” byvoeg asof enigiets anders ook ‘n siel het?)&lt;br /&gt;Wel, wat is dit? ’n Sekere goeie dokter het al die gewig an die siel probeer bepaal. (&lt;a href="http://boingboing.net/2010/05/14/victorian-doctor-who.html"&gt;http://boingboing.net/2010/05/14/victorian-doctor-who.html&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt; Ek moet erken ek is self ‘n slagoffer  van die verwarring. Lyk my mens kan filosofies / sielkundig of teologies daaroor redeneer. Dit is psigopatologie maar dit is geestesgesondheid. Teologies gesien het die Here die asem van die lewe in die mens se neus geblaas (‘n siel? Of gees?) gegee (Gen. 2:7) maar dit is die gees wat na God terugkeer. (Pred. 12:7). Die siel is ook by die Here Open. 6:9 &amp;amp; 20:4. Hoe dink jy oor die goeterse?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-537351066480020899?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/537351066480020899/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=537351066480020899' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/537351066480020899'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/537351066480020899'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/02/die-siel.html' title='Die siel'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3825807123477446379</id><published>2011-02-23T07:05:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-03-09T19:23:48.856+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Veels geluk Henrietta!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XJAHfHdf8fk/TXURezVuJaI/AAAAAAAABSA/PgBoLGg8B9Q/s1600/HEN+VERJDAG.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="400" q6="true" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XJAHfHdf8fk/TXURezVuJaI/AAAAAAAABSA/PgBoLGg8B9Q/s400/HEN+VERJDAG.jpg" width="227" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3825807123477446379?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3825807123477446379/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3825807123477446379' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3825807123477446379'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3825807123477446379'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/03/veels-geluk-henrietta.html' title='Veels geluk Henrietta!'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XJAHfHdf8fk/TXURezVuJaI/AAAAAAAABSA/PgBoLGg8B9Q/s72-c/HEN+VERJDAG.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6829107406822114218</id><published>2011-02-17T07:59:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-02-24T21:59:09.055+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Karin Armstrong se "Charter for compassion" - goeie idee of verskuilde agenda?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FdUCbTIrfz8/TWa4Qv3Th9I/AAAAAAAABRE/nIQSAiZS-_o/s1600/GoldenRule.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" l6="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FdUCbTIrfz8/TWa4Qv3Th9I/AAAAAAAABRE/nIQSAiZS-_o/s200/GoldenRule.jpg" width="131" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TT-uohRzukI/AAAAAAAABD0/aYqd80zfN6c/s1600/untitled.bmp" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;-the best idea humanity has ever had...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;The principle of compassion lies at the heart of all religious, ethical and spiritual traditions, calling us always to treat all others as we wish to be treated ourselves. Compassion impels us to work tirelessly to alleviate the suffering of our fellow creatures, to dethrone ourselves from the centre of our world and put another there, and to honour the inviolable sanctity of every single human being, treating everybody, without exception, with absolute justice, equity and respect.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is also necessary in both public and private life to refrain consistently and empathically from inflicting pain. To act or speak violently out of spite, chauvinism, or self-interest, to impoverish, exploit or deny basic rights to anybody, and to incite hatred by denigrating others—even our enemies—is a denial of our common humanity. We acknowledge that we have failed to live compassionately and that some have even increased the sum of human misery in the name of religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We therefore call upon all men and women ~ to restore compassion to the centre of morality and religion ~ to return to the ancient principle that any interpretation of scripture that breeds violence, hatred or disdain is illegitimate ~ to ensure that youth are given accurate and respectful information about other traditions, religions and cultures ~ to encourage a positive appreciation of cultural and religious diversity ~ to cultivate an informed empathy with the suffering of all human beings—even those regarded as enemies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We urgently need to make compassion a clear, luminous and dynamic force in our polarized world. Rooted in a principled determination to transcend selfishness, compassion can break down political, dogmatic, ideological and religious boundaries. Born of our deep interdependence, compassion is essential to human relationships and to a fulfilled humanity. It is the path to enlightenment, and indispensible to the creation of a just economy and a peaceful global community.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6829107406822114218?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6829107406822114218/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6829107406822114218' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6829107406822114218'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6829107406822114218'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/01/charter-for-compassion-best-idea.html' title='Karin Armstrong se &quot;Charter for compassion&quot; - goeie idee of verskuilde agenda?'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FdUCbTIrfz8/TWa4Qv3Th9I/AAAAAAAABRE/nIQSAiZS-_o/s72-c/GoldenRule.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-968026166782131604</id><published>2011-02-05T22:56:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-02-10T11:31:42.013+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Lausanne Kongres verklaring teen postmodernisme</title><content type='html'>Julle onthou seker nog die Derde Lausanne Kongres wat verlede jaar in Oktober in Kaapstad vergader het, waar 4,200 evangeliese leiers van 198 lande bymekaar gekom het en waaroor ek ‘n kort stukkie hier geskryf het. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hierdie Kongres, wat beskou word as die grootste en mees invloedryke instelling in evangeliese kringe vandag, het pas ‘n verklaring uitgereik waarin hulle uitdruklik verklaar dat hulle teen postmodernisme is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die baie besonderse verklaring wat ook ander geloofsaspekte aanspreek, kan hier gelees word:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lausanne.org/ctcommitment#p2-1"&gt;http://www.lausanne.org/ctcommitment#p2-1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lees gerus ook hier op Philip Rosenthal se blog: &lt;a href="http://emergingthreat.blogspot.com/2011/02/lausanne-congress-cape-town-call-to.html"&gt;http://emergingthreat.blogspot.com/2011/02/lausanne-congress-cape-town-call-to.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-968026166782131604?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/968026166782131604/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=968026166782131604' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/968026166782131604'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/968026166782131604'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/02/lausanne-kongres-verklaring-teen.html' title='Lausanne Kongres verklaring teen postmodernisme'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3914280666185401881</id><published>2011-02-04T19:58:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-02-24T22:12:57.393+02:00</updated><title type='text'>POSTMODERNISM FOR DUMMIES</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pDgy2CyvfvM/TV1fkpdzWCI/AAAAAAAABQg/q-gffCV6W3A/s1600/postmod.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="146" j6="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pDgy2CyvfvM/TV1fkpdzWCI/AAAAAAAABQg/q-gffCV6W3A/s200/postmod.gif" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Theories and assumptions&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;1. Postmodern Societies &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Some sociologists believe we are now moving into a new and very different type of society. The social change, that began to accelerate 300 years ago, has continued at such a pace that the theories and assumptions we had about modern society no longer explain the society we find around us.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;The main characteristic of postmodernism seems to be a loss of faith in the ideas of the Enlightenment. It is argued by postmodernists that people have become disillusioned with the idea that we can use science and rational thought to make the world a better place. People have become disillusioned with the idea of progress. There is greater understanding of negative effects of so-called ‘progress’, such as pollution, environmental damage and damage to human populations. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;We are also seeing the disappearance of old certainties. In the past gender roles, ethnic differences, social class differences were all clear cut and people generally conformed to societal expectations. Today the old distinctions are blurring and people choose who they want to be, and how they want to behave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Postmodern Societies &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rlC7VANNp5Y/TV1gFcRiswI/AAAAAAAABQk/9FZ3lf38kwk/s1600/trafford.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="116" j6="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rlC7VANNp5Y/TV1gFcRiswI/AAAAAAAABQk/9FZ3lf38kwk/s200/trafford.gif" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Modernism always celebrated the new and considered ideas from the past to be ‘old-fashioned’. Postmodernism borrows from the past and combines a wide range of styles together - a ‘pick and mix’ approach. A good example of a postmodern building is a shopping centre called the Trafford Centre, in Manchester. This looks like St Paul's Cathedral from the front, a Norman castle from the back, inside one section is the deck of an ocean liner, and in another is a Victorian palm house.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Distinctions between the cultures of the different social classes have been blurred, for example by the use of opera as a theme tune for the football world cup. The process of globalisation has also meant the blurring of traditional cultural boundaries. Today Coca-Cola can be found in the remotest regions of the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Postmodern Societies &lt;br /&gt;Postmodernists also argue that other characteristics of modern societies are disappearing. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• The big production companies making vast quantities of the same product are becoming more diversified and there has been a growth of small companies producing goods for very specialised markets. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• New social movements are connecting people across traditional class and ethnic boundaries; movements such as gay rights, environmentalism, feminism, and new religious movements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• The significance of nation states is in decline. Today many multi-national companies are larger and have more power than most countries, and within countries more provision is being privatised and less is provided by the state. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yokr9bx5aV8/TV1hEBleNHI/AAAAAAAABQo/GsEnec-YnmY/s1600/alien.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" j6="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yokr9bx5aV8/TV1hEBleNHI/AAAAAAAABQo/GsEnec-YnmY/s200/alien.gif" width="132" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;• Employees are less likely to have long-term careers and jobs for life, employment is more uncertain and there has been a big increase in part-time, temporary and agency employment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Despite all this evidence, the concept of a postmodern society is a very controversial one. Many sociologists accept that society is changing a great deal but do not accept the term postmodern. Some sociologists, including Anthony Giddens, prefer to describe society as in a stage of ‘late-modernity’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Chris Gardner- Human Societies demo.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3914280666185401881?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3914280666185401881/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3914280666185401881' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3914280666185401881'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3914280666185401881'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/02/postmodernism-for-dummies.html' title='POSTMODERNISM FOR DUMMIES'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pDgy2CyvfvM/TV1fkpdzWCI/AAAAAAAABQg/q-gffCV6W3A/s72-c/postmod.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-8519796599277101737</id><published>2011-01-23T19:28:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-01-23T19:29:25.191+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Teologie en Pateriologie</title><content type='html'>Teologie is die leer aangaande die openbaring van God en Pateriologie is die leer aangaande God die Vader. Volgens die gereformeerde leer is God ewig, onbegryplik, onsienlik, onveranderlik, oneindig, almagtig, volkome wys, regverdig, goed en die alleroorvloedigste fontein van alles wat goed is ( Artikel 1 van die NGB).  (Lees verder)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-8519796599277101737?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/8519796599277101737/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=8519796599277101737' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8519796599277101737'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8519796599277101737'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/01/teologie-en-pateriologie.html' title='Teologie en Pateriologie'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6735785520457459573</id><published>2011-01-22T21:30:00.007+02:00</published><updated>2011-02-10T11:33:01.870+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Oor Skrifbeskouing  - ‘n inleiding</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TUOsbhgCcGI/AAAAAAAABFI/C5GndZrBdqA/s1600/Hands%252520and%252520Bible.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="133" s5="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TUOsbhgCcGI/AAAAAAAABFI/C5GndZrBdqA/s200/Hands%252520and%252520Bible.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Yf het gevra dat ons ‘n nuwe draad moet begin oor Skrifbeskouing, dus hoe die Bybel deur verskillende groepe gesien word. Hier is ‘n paar inleidende gedagtes oor ‘n reuse-groot onderwerp: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Basies kan drie groepe onderskei word: Een groep sien die Bybel as die Woord van God; ‘n tweede groep sien die Bybel as God se Woord in mensetaal en ‘n derde groep (wat nie verbonde is aan ‘n kerklike tradisie nie) sien die Bybel as woorde oor God. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘n Reformatoriese Skrifbeskouing glo die Bybel bevat die wil van God volkome en alles wat die mens vir sy saligheid moet glo, word voldoende in die Skrif geleer (Artikel 7 NGB). Dit het gesag, is betroubaar, genoegsaam en duidelik. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Soos op talle terreine, het daar vanaf die Renaissance, en meer spesifiek vanaf die tyd van die Verligting, wêreld-beskouings deur die jare ontwikkel wat skeptisisme aangaande basiese Christelike beskouings aanwakker, ook wat Skrifbeskouing betref. Mens kan praat van verskuiwings, verskillende perspektiewe of veranderde paradigmas ten opsigte van hoe die Bybel gesien word.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6735785520457459573?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6735785520457459573/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6735785520457459573' title='17 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6735785520457459573'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6735785520457459573'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/01/oor-skrifbeskouing-n-inleiding.html' title='Oor Skrifbeskouing  - ‘n inleiding'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TUOsbhgCcGI/AAAAAAAABFI/C5GndZrBdqA/s72-c/Hands%252520and%252520Bible.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>17</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4535527787413274489</id><published>2011-01-11T20:34:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2011-02-10T11:34:15.134+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Kreasionisme ?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TS7Kinjeu4I/AAAAAAAABDk/Ci-TwQmdA0E/s1600/showImage.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="183" n4="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TS7Kinjeu4I/AAAAAAAABDk/Ci-TwQmdA0E/s200/showImage.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Dag Vriende&lt;br /&gt;Ek weet dat Kreasioniste voorkeur daaraan gee om die Bybel in alle sake letterlik te interpreteer en te verstaan. Tog bied hulle, wat hulle glo, wetenskaplike feite aan, maar ander wetenskaplike feite verwerp hulle. Dis vir my 'n teenstrydigheid wat ek nie verstaan nie. Dit wil my voorkom of die wetenskap ondergeskik gestel wod aan die Bybel en of sekere, wat hulle glo wetenskaplike fiete is, gebruik word om Bybelinhoude te bevestig. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dis mos nog 'n teenstrydigheid. Jy kan nie aan die een kant sê die Bybel is die onberispelike absolute waarheid en dan na die wetenskap gryp om die Bybel te ondersteun of the bevestig nie - onberispelike, absolute waarheid het mos nie ondersteuning nodig nie? Indien wel, sou dit mos nie onberispelik en absolute waarheid wees nie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kortom is die wetenskap ondergeskik aan die Bybel, word dit nie in ag geneem wanneer die Bybel hom uitspreek oor wetenskaplike sake nie, of wat?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4535527787413274489?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4535527787413274489/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4535527787413274489' title='63 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4535527787413274489'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4535527787413274489'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/01/kreasionisme.html' title='Kreasionisme ?'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TS7Kinjeu4I/AAAAAAAABDk/Ci-TwQmdA0E/s72-c/showImage.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>63</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6603737526494573555</id><published>2011-01-11T10:46:00.007+02:00</published><updated>2011-01-12T14:53:01.828+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Tong inni kies</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Why is Scientism so pathetically funny?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwTXrSdz9I/AAAAAAAABDQ/FqsihxLf3HU/s1600/Scientism+emperor+cartoon.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="193" n4="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwTXrSdz9I/AAAAAAAABDQ/FqsihxLf3HU/s200/Scientism+emperor+cartoon.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;The emperor admires his new clothes in a very small mirror. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;(In the fairy tale, he was naked.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Modernity: Harnessing the laws of nature to empower fallen humanity. Get lost, God. Here comes... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Scientism:&lt;/strong&gt; The progressive rejection of a God-created, God-centered universe, a new mythology that was not without significant casualties. Despite amazing scientific progress throughout the 19th century, fundamental questions were still being asked. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwUI8cxtEI/AAAAAAAABDU/dCL_SCa-EYc/s1600/Scientism+Gaugin.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="120" n4="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwUI8cxtEI/AAAAAAAABDU/dCL_SCa-EYc/s320/Scientism+Gaugin.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;D'où venons-nous ? Que sommes-nous ? Où allons-nous ? &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Where do we come from? What are we? Where are we going? &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;(Words inscribed in the upper left hand corner of the painting.)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul Gaugin, 1897-98, Tahiti.&amp;nbsp; He took a trip to an island also,&amp;nbsp; but he came back without answers, only questions. None of the&amp;nbsp;questions for Gaugin&amp;nbsp;or Scientism included "God" in the answer.&amp;nbsp; A fitting prelude to a new century of advances in sciences, miracles in medicine, nuclear power in war, and a lot of existential angst.&amp;nbsp; If God is not our Creator, our Sustainer, and our Hope, what do we have?&amp;nbsp; Sartre called it &lt;em&gt;le néant.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/em&gt;Nihilism.&amp;nbsp; Nothingness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwVPy2T9XI/AAAAAAAABDY/29n-_GEo7jg/s1600/Scientism+adam.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="164" n4="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwVPy2T9XI/AAAAAAAABDY/29n-_GEo7jg/s320/Scientism+adam.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"And Man became a living soul." Just a famous painting.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carl Sagan, perhaps Scientism's most famous modern prophet answers the questions:&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;"The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be." &lt;em&gt;(Seems kinda grim, Carl.)&lt;/em&gt; &lt;br /&gt;"So, you’re the product of a DNA genetic baton relay race. Not one of your ancestors—in an unbroken chain going back BILLIONS of years—dropped their DNA baton for passing it on to their offspring."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwWA_iRc8I/AAAAAAAABDc/_OqmM0yGRLU/s1600/Scientism+Baton.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" n4="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwWA_iRc8I/AAAAAAAABDc/_OqmM0yGRLU/s1600/Scientism+Baton.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Yep, that pretty much explains how I got here,&amp;nbsp; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;who I am, and where I'm going.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwWZPI3HoI/AAAAAAAABDg/tN4DG83Ut5M/s1600/Scientism+dna.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="213" n4="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwWZPI3HoI/AAAAAAAABDg/tN4DG83Ut5M/s320/Scientism+dna.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;Looks like a lot of batons to me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;So why is Scientism so pathetically funny? The pompous are always funny in a pathetic way. Scientism's arrogance and self-centered vanity blinds its practitioners to accept its inane and simplistic explanations for everything. The tragedy is that so many swallow this asinine line, apparently satisfied, without asking any deeper questions. The Emperor is buck naked, but no one has the guts to tell him so. And there's a whole lot of himself he cannot see. &lt;br /&gt;So why the [Dante's Inferno] do we study Dante's Inferno? Do not the extravagant claims of Scientism negate the validity and relevance of the core disciplines in the Humanities and Fine Arts? Are Sagan's answers the best Scientism can do to articulate the meaning of life? Why don't we just go ahead and blow ourselves up right now? &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;- The stinging Horsefly, &lt;em&gt;Satirizing Scientism&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;Mocking Scientism, Evokutionism and the Arrogance of the Academy) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6603737526494573555?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6603737526494573555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6603737526494573555' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6603737526494573555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6603737526494573555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/01/tong-inni-kies.html' title='Tong inni kies'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TSwTXrSdz9I/AAAAAAAABDQ/FqsihxLf3HU/s72-c/Scientism+emperor+cartoon.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6674999614474862764</id><published>2011-01-10T06:41:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-01-10T06:44:17.714+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Geleidelike prysgee van Christelike beginsels</title><content type='html'>Weereens akkommodasie by 'n Universiteit om aan te pas by die heersende kulturele en filosofiese klimaat in Suid-Afrika - die subtiele prysgee van Christelike beginsels om aanvaarbaar te wees nasionaal en internasionaal  (PU vir CHO moes dieselfde doen).  Raak ons Christelike "paddas" geleidelik aan die temperatuur van die stadig-kokende pot water gewoond? (Lees verder)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6674999614474862764?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6674999614474862764/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6674999614474862764' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6674999614474862764'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6674999614474862764'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/01/rysgee-van-christelike-beginsels.html' title='Geleidelike prysgee van Christelike beginsels'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7961658508268879634</id><published>2011-01-03T06:33:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-04-27T10:30:52.083+02:00</updated><title type='text'>WAT ELKE BESORGDE LIDMAAT EN PREDIKANT MOET LEES!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TOOEmdFjlvI/AAAAAAAABAo/DOxMyIrd7so/s1600/Bcover+Joy.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" px="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TOOEmdFjlvI/AAAAAAAABAo/DOxMyIrd7so/s200/Bcover+Joy.jpg" width="141" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Die Trojaanse Perd&lt;br /&gt;in die NG Kerk&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"&gt;– die Kanker van Evolusie en Liberalisme&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;’n Voëlvlug oor die hoofstukke van die boek:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Perspektiewe oor teologiese veranderinge binne die NG Kerk oor die afgelope ongeveer vyftig jaar word aan die begin van hierdie boek gegee. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Melding word gemaak van die heersende roeringe en die ingrypende implikasies vir die geloof van lidmate en die praktiese lewe van die Kerk.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Daar word gekyk na hoe die ommekeer in Skrifbeskouing ook nie Skrifkritiek en Skrifgebruik onaangetas gelaat het nie. Dit het tot gevolg dat Bybelwaarhede soos die opstanding van Christus, Sy maagdelike geboorte, Sy Godheid en selfs Sy plaasvervangende sterwe verloën &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;word. Daar kan selfs gevra word: Is die hart van die evangelie nie uitgeruk nie? Die liberale aanslag het verdoemende gevolge op vele terreine. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Die hantering van homoseksualiteit word bespreek as voorbeeld van die gevolge van verkeerde besluite aangaande Skrifbeskouing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Nuwe strominge soos die Ontluikende Kerk en die “Nuwe Hervorming” (NH) kom onder die vergrootglas. Ernstige kommer word uitgespreek oor die ongereformeerde rigting wat hierdie strominge ingaan en die traagheid om met leertug teen teoloë op te tree wat meelopers hiervan is.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Enkele gedagtes word uitgespreek oor die Evangeliese Inisiatief (EI). Alhoewel daar waardering is vir die getuienis wat die EI uitdra ten opsigte van wat die waarheid is, is die vraag: Doen die EI genoeg om ’n omkeer te bewerkstellig?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Evolusie, wat gesien word as die vrot appel in die NG Kerk se kis, kry uitgebreide aandag, omdat die omhelsing van evolusionisme verwoestende en verreikende gevolge het op sake wat deel is van die gereformeerde belydenis.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Die hoofstuk oor die huwelik en saambly toon aan wat met ’n sogenaamde minder veroordelende verklaring ten opsigte van saambly beoog word, naamlik om vir die soveelste keer akkommoderend te wees. Ons kan nie die Woord van God verander om by die kultuur van die dag of om by mense se sienings en filosofieë te pas nie. In Sy Woord is dit duidelik dat seks buite die huwelik deur God verbied word.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;Die agste hoofstuk toon aan presies hóé ongelyk die speelveld tussen liberales en behoudendes al geword het. Die media werk op vele terreine aktief mee om postmodernistiese liberalisme in die kerk in te voer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Skrywers:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Dr. Henrietta Klaasing (Skrywer en boeksamesteller) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Dr. Hennie Mouton (Skrywer en boeksamesteller) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Ds. Gideon Aggenbag (Skrywer) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Daniel Louw (Skrywer) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Ds. Jan Louw (Skrywer) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Ds. Hanan Viljoen (Skrywer) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Dr. Koos Visser (Skrywer) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Bydraers:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Anna Louw &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;James Maré &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Pieter Pelser &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Dr. Kobus Stapelberg &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Sarel van der Merwe &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"&gt;Ellison Mouton &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: Trebuchet MS;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;Die boek sal DV vroeg in Desember 2010 op die rakke verskyn.&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; font-family: Trebuchet MS;"&gt;Besoek &lt;a href="http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/"&gt;http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/&lt;/a&gt; vir meer inligting oor bestellings en kostes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7961658508268879634?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7961658508268879634/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7961658508268879634' title='185 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7961658508268879634'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7961658508268879634'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/wat-elke-besorgde-lidmaat-en-predikant.html' title='WAT ELKE BESORGDE LIDMAAT EN PREDIKANT MOET LEES!'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TOOEmdFjlvI/AAAAAAAABAo/DOxMyIrd7so/s72-c/Bcover+Joy.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>185</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1051722973188698078</id><published>2011-01-03T06:32:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2011-01-12T09:56:58.994+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Artikel oor “Die Trojaanse perd”  in JUIG!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TSFRoqM7KJI/AAAAAAAAANU/glPBZT5UgNg/s1600/1291984549%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5557813174117017746" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TSFRoqM7KJI/AAAAAAAAANU/glPBZT5UgNg/s200/1291984549%255B1%255D.jpg" style="cursor: hand; float: left; height: 200px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; width: 156px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dit is elektronies beskikbaar – koop die tydskrif, daar’s BAIE meer in as op die webblad! Lees hier: &lt;a href="http://www.juig.co.za/article.php?id=114"&gt;http://www.juig.co.za/article.php?id=114&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1051722973188698078?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1051722973188698078/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1051722973188698078' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1051722973188698078'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1051722973188698078'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2011/01/artikel-oor-die-trojaanse-perd-in-juig.html' title='Artikel oor “Die Trojaanse perd”  in JUIG!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TSFRoqM7KJI/AAAAAAAAANU/glPBZT5UgNg/s72-c/1291984549%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5978451221831144470</id><published>2010-12-31T09:18:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-31T09:22:52.772+02:00</updated><title type='text'>'n Voorspoedige 2011 vanuit die bos...!!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TR2EtOZLZkI/AAAAAAAABDE/PJPEc0fbQdU/s1600/nwj_krtjie.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" n4="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TR2EtOZLZkI/AAAAAAAABDE/PJPEc0fbQdU/s1600/nwj_krtjie.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5978451221831144470?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5978451221831144470/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5978451221831144470' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5978451221831144470'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5978451221831144470'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/n-voorspoedige-2011-vanuit-die-bos.html' title='&apos;n Voorspoedige 2011 vanuit die bos...!!'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TR2EtOZLZkI/AAAAAAAABDE/PJPEc0fbQdU/s72-c/nwj_krtjie.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7332435867739768469</id><published>2010-12-28T09:38:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-29T07:23:11.753+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Christmas Around the World (2010): The Dark Side</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What did you say you wanted for Christmas? Many Christians around the world just wanted safety and justice...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: blue;"&gt;Christmas in Nigeria:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; There were multiple attacks by Islamic militants on churches and other Christian sites in several states of Nigeria which claimed 38 lives on Christmas eve. In Borno State, 30 men armed with knives and guns attacked a Baptist church dragging the pastor out of his home and shooting him to death. Choir members were also slain, after which the church and the pastor’s house were set ablaze.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Christmas in the Philippines:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Christmas in Iran:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; This week a story leaked out of Iran about two pastors who will be spending Christmas behind bars. They face the death penalty on charges of “apostasy” (i.e. for abandoning Islam). (Verkort)&lt;br /&gt;Christmas in Iraq It will be a Christmas of mourning for many Iraqi Christians. Christmas services were cancelled in Baghdad, Mosul, and Kirkuk following what appears to be a never ending stream of kidnappings, assassinations and mass killings of Iraqi Christians. Attacks seam to spike at Christmas. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Christmas in Jordan:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; Meanwhile, Iraqi Christian refugees in Jordan are mourning. “Christmas is not for us,” they said. This is because some of them just fled Baghdad two months after their homes were stormed by masked men who ordered them to leave, saying “you Christians (will) have no bread in this country; you have two days to leave.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Christmas in China:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; On the day before Christmas there was a report that police raided numerous Christmas eve services, especially of house churches in the southwestern city of Chengdu detaining believers there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Christmas in Pakistan:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; Christians in Pakistan faced a tense week because of the on-going possibility of violence by Islamists. The tension surrounds an event in the Punjab province regarding a Christian mother of five who has been sentenced to death by the regional court for negative speech to her neighbor that criticized Muhammad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Christmas in India:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; Hindu fundamentalist attacks on Christians mounted as Christmas approached. Reports came in this week from different parts of India of a half dozen brutal attacks. Said one church leader, “around Christmas and other major Christian festivals, we have noticed a sudden spurt in anti-Christian violence in recent years.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Christmas in Europe:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;In the UK there was a large poster campaign against Christmas launched by a radical Muslim group. The nationwide campaign denounced Christmas as evil and aimed at converting Britons to Islam.&lt;br /&gt;Also this week, one of England’s largest malls blocked the signing of Christmas songs in order to avoid religious bias. &lt;br /&gt;In parts of France this month there has been the usual opposition for wearing a cross or putting up nativity sets.&lt;br /&gt;On the 16th of this month, Roman Catholic Pope Benedict voiced his deep concern over the persecution of Christians worldwide, but saved his strongest words for Europe where he said that the church is under assault by national governments and European institutions. Europe, he said, is taken with “Christianophobia.” According to the pope, there is a growing hostility and prejudice against Christianity in Europe. Legislation under the name of equity aims to force Christian doctors to perform abortions and churches to hire practicing homosexuals. But these things he says are contrary to Christian conscience. He called for an end to this hostility and prejudice saying that this aggressive secularism is as bad as the religious fanaticism we see in other parts of the world which persecutes Christians outright. &lt;br /&gt;All these abbreviated stories can be found in greater length at &lt;a href="http://www.persecution.org/"&gt;http://www.persecution.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;-Don Sweeting; The Chief End of Man - Reflections on theology, worship, culture, history and the church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; A bomb exploded during a Christmas service in a southern region of the Philippines. The area is known to be a center of Muslim extremism. The bomb exploded right after the gospel reading. The roof over the church collapsed. The falling beams and debris fell on parishoners wounding ten.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7332435867739768469?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7332435867739768469/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7332435867739768469' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7332435867739768469'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7332435867739768469'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/christmas-around-world-2010-dark-side.html' title='Christmas Around the World (2010): The Dark Side'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3510700782275194435</id><published>2010-12-26T08:02:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-27T07:39:14.735+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Geleentheid op RSG</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TRgmelkeCZI/AAAAAAAAAM8/DLrK9OmfgVs/s1600/MR900215002%255B1%255D.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 96px; height: 96px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TRgmelkeCZI/AAAAAAAAAM8/DLrK9OmfgVs/s200/MR900215002%255B1%255D.JPG" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5555232447284513170" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ons is dankbaar oor die geleentheid wat ons gekry het om ons saak op RSG te stel vanoggend. Ons webwerf se naam:  www.glodiebybel.co.za  is duidelik gegee. "Mag U Naam geheilig word, U Koninkryk kom, U wil geskied geskied!"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3510700782275194435?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3510700782275194435/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3510700782275194435' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3510700782275194435'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3510700782275194435'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/geleentheid-op-rsg.html' title='Geleentheid op RSG'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TRgmelkeCZI/AAAAAAAAAM8/DLrK9OmfgVs/s72-c/MR900215002%255B1%255D.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7831257010454815626</id><published>2010-12-25T19:19:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-29T07:29:53.702+02:00</updated><title type='text'>The Most Truthful Thing I have Ever Heard!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TRYmLPslYZI/AAAAAAAABCo/fDWvIv2IMUU/s1600/500full.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="221" n4="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TRYmLPslYZI/AAAAAAAABCo/fDWvIv2IMUU/s320/500full.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”&lt;/em&gt; -Isaiah 9:13, NIV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This Christmas season a very unusual phenomenon has been seen on British television - a new dramatised version of the nativity in which the writer has portrayed the core truth of the incarnation as fact, as opposed to fiction! Tony Jordan is better known for writing scripts of a much more earthy nature for one of the UK’s longest-running soap operas, Eastenders. In normal circumstances he could not have been expected to have to have done such justice to what the Bible teaches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The brief from the BBC was to write something pretty wacky about the nativity. He says that when he started on the project he didn’t believe in the nativity story. But the more he thought about it he realised “it would be a travesty to take the most beautiful story in the history of the world and turn it into a cheap gag.” So he began reading the story for himself and researching the facts of what the Bible says happened and he made a few surprising discoveries – both about Jesus and about himself!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When asked by the Daily Telegraph reporter about believing in the fact of the Virgin Birth, Jordan replied, “If you accept that Jesus is the Son of God, why would you not believe that Mary was a virgin, and that God must have had some hand in the impregnation?” And he followed this comment by saying, “The only thing I know for sure is that the words I read as coming from Jesus Christ are the most truthful thing I have ever heard!”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It’s no surprise, therefore, that the Editor of the Daily Telegraph headed his own comments on the article by the words ‘A born-again Nativity.’&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are living in an age when the facts of Christmas are no longer politically acceptable. The decorated tree in the White House is called a Holiday Tree! And it is reported that of all the cards on sale in British supermarkets, less than one per cent have any relationship to the facts of the Christmas story! These are days which are increasingly dark spiritually and in which it is becoming more and more costly to personally adhere to Christian truth, as the normal standard for faith and conduct. But in the midst of the darkness a shining fact remains – when people, even professional script-writers such as Tony Jordan, approach the Scriptures with a desire to know the truth, that the God of Truth will reveal Himself to them. &lt;br /&gt;The virgin birth is, indeed, a sign to the whole world that God is with us. The incarnation tells us above all else that God loved the world so much that He gave His only son that we might have everlasting life (John 3:16). To know that we are loved is the deepest and most intimate need of every member of the human race. You ARE loved – the nativity story declares that one glorious fact above all others. It’s easy to love someone who we know loves us, so absorbing this astonishing truth for ourselves is the beginning of the most exciting pilgrimage of all – loving Him, who first loved us, and walking together with Him for the rest of our days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prayer: &lt;em&gt;"Thank you Lord, that the truth of Your Word still has its ancient power to challenge the hearts of men and women. Help me, this Christmas, to read afresh the Gospel stories and be freshly impacted by the most truthful things that have ever been written. In Jesus’ name, Amen."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today's Writer : Peter Horrobin Peter Horrobin is currently writing an online training school called Ellel 365. This is specifically designed to help people ‘get the message’ and apply the practical truths of God’s Word into their lives. To take a look for yourself go to &lt;a href="http://www.em365.org/"&gt;http://www.em365.org/&lt;/a&gt; or click the link under the "links" section of this page. &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;(Dankie James)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7831257010454815626?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7831257010454815626/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7831257010454815626' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7831257010454815626'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7831257010454815626'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/most-truthful-thing-i-have-ever-heard.html' title='The Most Truthful Thing I have Ever Heard!'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TRYmLPslYZI/AAAAAAAABCo/fDWvIv2IMUU/s72-c/500full.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6765696582175778849</id><published>2010-12-20T06:13:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-29T07:30:52.797+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Die wyse manne : vreemdes maak Baba Jesus Koning</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TRCG1cQVORI/AAAAAAAABCk/5S6m_jJQDPQ/s1600/behzad_magi.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="133" n4="true" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TRCG1cQVORI/AAAAAAAABCk/5S6m_jJQDPQ/s200/behzad_magi.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Die wyse manne : vreemdes maak Baba Jesus Koning&lt;br /&gt;(Dankie Liza vir die feestelike versiering van ons blog en ons eie Suid-Afrikaanse Kerslied daarby!)&lt;br /&gt;As mens aan die wyse manne dink , is dit hoofsaaklik net dat hulle uit die Ooste gekom het, en dat hulle kosbare geskenke met simboliese betekenis vir Baba Jesus gebring het – maar wie was hulle regtig, en hoe het hulle geweet van die Koning wat gebore wou word? (Lees verder)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6765696582175778849?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6765696582175778849/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6765696582175778849' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6765696582175778849'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6765696582175778849'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/die-wyse-manne-vreemdes-maak-baba-jesus.html' title='Die wyse manne : vreemdes maak Baba Jesus Koning'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TRCG1cQVORI/AAAAAAAABCk/5S6m_jJQDPQ/s72-c/behzad_magi.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2128515327228787217</id><published>2010-12-16T07:51:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-16T07:52:24.248+02:00</updated><title type='text'>'Kanker' bedreigt Zuid-Afrikaanse kerk</title><content type='html'>Ons boek word ook nou in Nederland bespreek! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;De Nederduits Gereformeerde Kerk (NG-Kerk) in Zuid-Afrika wordt bedreigd door een " Trojaans paard". Dat schrijven verontruste kerkleden en enkele ex-predikanten in het onlangs verschenen boek ' Het Trojaanse paard in de NG-Kerk; Kanker van evolutie en liberalisme'. (Lees verder onder kommentaar)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2128515327228787217?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2128515327228787217/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2128515327228787217' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2128515327228787217'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2128515327228787217'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/kanker-bedreigt-zuid-afrikaanse-kerk.html' title='&apos;Kanker&apos; bedreigt Zuid-Afrikaanse kerk'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6109550844733651259</id><published>2010-12-15T14:40:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-15T14:47:06.256+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Ons juig oor JUIG!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TQi4vK3nQ2I/AAAAAAAAAMo/mVDkb8-M2f0/s1600/1290763397%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 156px; height: 200px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TQi4vK3nQ2I/AAAAAAAAAMo/mVDkb8-M2f0/s200/1290763397%255B1%255D.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5550889661245113186" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kyk uit vir die Januarie 2011-uitgawe van die tydskrif Juig!. Dit gaan 'n artikel bevat wat die boek bespreek.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6109550844733651259?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6109550844733651259/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6109550844733651259' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6109550844733651259'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6109550844733651259'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/ons-juig-oor-juig.html' title='Ons juig oor JUIG!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TQi4vK3nQ2I/AAAAAAAAAMo/mVDkb8-M2f0/s72-c/1290763397%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4631694000588476769</id><published>2010-12-12T06:28:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-13T23:00:38.063+02:00</updated><title type='text'>OUR  BOOK, "THE TROJAN HORSE..." IS NOW READ IN CANADA...</title><content type='html'>Dr Byl is well known in Reformed and scientific circles in Canada and all over the world and has kindly given us exposure on his blog:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://bylogos.blogspot.com/2010/12/trojan-horse-in-south-african-reformed.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you ever so much Doctor, this kind gesture is highly appreciated by our whole team!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4631694000588476769?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4631694000588476769/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4631694000588476769' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4631694000588476769'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4631694000588476769'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/our-trojan-horse-is-now-running-in.html' title='OUR  BOOK, &quot;THE TROJAN HORSE...&quot; IS NOW READ IN CANADA...'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2860881607043396876</id><published>2010-12-11T08:28:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-11T08:43:50.108+02:00</updated><title type='text'>BOEK “KWAADWILLIG” – sê WIE???</title><content type='html'>(Lees Neels Jackson hier in Beeld vandag: &lt;a href="http://m.news24.com/beeld/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Boek-kwaadwillig-wat-NGK-kap-oor-Bybel-20101210" target="_blank"&gt;Boek ‘kwaadwillig’ wat NGK kap oor Bybel&lt;/a&gt; )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;DIE BOEK IS BESKIKBAAR BY AUGUSTINE BOOKROOM, PRETORIA (645 Rudolf Street, Constantia Park, Pretoria) &lt;a href="http://www.augustine.co.za/home.php"&gt;http://www.augustine.co.za/home.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Lees verder onder kommentaar)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2860881607043396876?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2860881607043396876/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2860881607043396876' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2860881607043396876'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2860881607043396876'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/jackson-se-boek-kwaadwillig-wat-ng-kerk.html' title='BOEK “KWAADWILLIG” – sê WIE???'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4296533249244968594</id><published>2010-12-09T21:34:00.006+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-29T07:26:05.267+02:00</updated><title type='text'>ONWETTIGE  E-KOPIE  IN OMLOOP</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TQEy_gT363I/AAAAAAAAAMY/xWwsX22Ok7w/s1600/MR900012891%255B1%255D.JPG"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5548772282483600242" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TQEy_gT363I/AAAAAAAAAMY/xWwsX22Ok7w/s320/MR900012891%255B1%255D.JPG" style="cursor: hand; float: right; height: 96px; margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px; width: 96px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;(Sien &lt;a href="http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/"&gt;http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/&lt;/a&gt;): “Enige elektroniese kopie van die boek Die Trojaanse Perd in die NG Kerk wat êrens opduik of na verwys word, is 'n onwettige en gesteelde kopie. Geen e-kopie is ooit êrens beskikbaar gestel vir verspreiding nie.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Die roofkopie wat ons al te siene gekry het, is in elk geval gebaseer op 'n baie vroeë, onvolledige en foutiewe weergawe. Die verspreiding van hierdie roofkopie is oorspronklik waarskynlik kwaadwillig, en word nou skynbaar in heelwat gevalle gedoen om die wettige boek se verkope te probeer belemmer, noudat dit beskikbaar is.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Enige verdere verspreiding van sodanige roofkopie is onwettig (dit kan vergelyk word daarmee om 'n oorgekopieërde DVD te kyk en te versprei of om 'n fliek onwettig van die internet af te laai of rekenaarsagteware te kopieer).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Klaarblyklik werk die poging tot belemmering van verkope nie, want ons kan met groot dankbaarheid sê dat die verkope bo verwagting goed verloop op hierdie stadium. Ons is ook geensins bereid om vrae te antwoord op grond van inligting wat uit die roofkopie kom nie, want uiteraard sou die finale kopie byvoegings, weglatings en veral ekstra verduidelikings en kommentare bevat ten opsigte van aanvanklike werkskopieë.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dankie vir almal wat misdaad help bekamp”.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4296533249244968594?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4296533249244968594/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4296533249244968594' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4296533249244968594'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4296533249244968594'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/onwettige-e-kopie-in-omloop.html' title='ONWETTIGE  E-KOPIE  IN OMLOOP'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TQEy_gT363I/AAAAAAAAAMY/xWwsX22Ok7w/s72-c/MR900012891%255B1%255D.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6078605091368439300</id><published>2010-12-07T22:29:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-29T07:26:51.786+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Trojaanse Perde, Gawes van die Gees, ens.</title><content type='html'>Ek was nie seker waar om hierdie gedagtes te plaas nie, want dit kan sommige dierbare Christene moontlik baie seermaak. Maar ek het tog gevoel dit moet uit, ek moet dit net s&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"&gt;ê&lt;/span&gt;, al lees niemand dit ooit nie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TP8X1eZN1wI/AAAAAAAABCM/_LKXlXRj9Co/s1600/Bcover+Joy.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" ox="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TP8X1eZN1wI/AAAAAAAABCM/_LKXlXRj9Co/s200/Bcover+Joy.jpg" width="141" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Hierdie kom nou al 'n lang pad waar ek begin wonder het of mense wat uit Teoglogiese fakulteite uitkom nog enigsins aan Jesus se bo-natuurlike fisiese opstanding glo. 'n Paar kundige en besorgde NG Kerk lidmate gaan eersdaags 'n boek, "&lt;a href="http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/die-trojaanse-perd-in-die-ng-kerk-m.html"&gt;Die Trojaanse perd in die NG Kerk&lt;/a&gt;" vrystel.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Na aanleiding van hierdie boek is daar 'n bespreking op &lt;a href="http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/wat-elke-besorgde-lidmaat-en-predikant.html"&gt;OnsGeloofGesprek&lt;/a&gt; hieroor. Die kommentare daaronder is nogal insigewend en om eerlik te wees, kommerwekkend.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Indien my geloofservaring nou dieselfde was as 10 jaar gelede, sou ek waarskynlik 'n reuse geloofskrisis deurgegaan het. Wat maak 'n lidmaat van die kerk wat in Jesus glo, as hy uitvind sy predikant is eintlik agnosties of glo eintlik nie in die bo-natuurlike opstanding van Jesus uit die dood nie?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;Wat my bekommer is hoeveel Christene in die kerk, is vandag waar ek 10 jaar gelede was? Watter effek gaan 'n boek soos hierdie op hulle h&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"&gt;ê&lt;/span&gt;? En verstaan my mooi, ek dink nie hierdie boek gaan die oorsaak wees dat mense hulle geloof in Jesus verloor nie, dit gaan bloot mense wakker maak dat hulle nie meer net dinge aanvaar nie en eerder vrae gaan begin vra. Om die waarheid te s&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"&gt;ê&lt;/span&gt;, glo ek, gaan hierdie boek dalk 'n hele klompie mense moontlik red.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ek moet egter nog die boek lees (en bestel :-) ), maar ek het al werke van die skrywers gesien, en het 'n idee waaroor die boek gaan. Ek sien baie daarna uit, en aan die eenkant hoop ek die boek maak groot opslae, haal groot koerante se voorblaaie en verkoop miljoene kopie&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif;"&gt;ë&lt;/span&gt; . Bloot omdat ek hoop dat die kwessies op die tafel kom en hanteer word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ek sal verder gesels onder kommentaar.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6078605091368439300?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6078605091368439300/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6078605091368439300' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6078605091368439300'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6078605091368439300'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/trojaanse-perde-gawes-van-die-gees-ens.html' title='Trojaanse Perde, Gawes van die Gees, ens.'/><author><name>Danie Loots</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18010349897516680282</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='26' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pY6URF8xtzw/S342fEtFirI/AAAAAAAAAB0/VSijKLfgjLE/S220/JDLoots.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TP8X1eZN1wI/AAAAAAAABCM/_LKXlXRj9Co/s72-c/Bcover+Joy.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6888961894153848270</id><published>2010-12-06T07:54:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-29T07:27:50.530+02:00</updated><title type='text'>"Omstrede" Trojaanse perd in VOLKSBLAD!!</title><content type='html'>Omstrede boek oor kerk bekend gestel&lt;br /&gt;2010-12-02 00:27&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;K aren Ebersohn&lt;br /&gt;’n Omstrede boek oor teologiese veranderinge in die kerk en die ingrypende implikasies wat dit het op sake soos die gesag en die gebruik van die Bybel, homoseksualiteit, saambly en die huwelik, het pas verskyn.&lt;br /&gt;Die boek, Die Trojaanse Perd in die NG Kerk – die kanker van evolusie en liberalisme, is deur ’n groep besorgde lidmate en predikante uit die NG Kerk saamgestel.&lt;br /&gt;En ja, die boek is dalk omstrede en sal mense skok, waarsku die skrywers.&lt;br /&gt;Drs. Henrietta Klaasing, met ’n doktorsgraad in teologie, en Hennie Mouton, ’n ingenieur van Pretoria, is die samestellers en medeskrywers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mouton sê die boek is om NG lidmate te kry om na Bybelse waarhede terug te keer.&lt;br /&gt;“Daar word gekyk na hoe die ommekeer in Skrifbeskouing ook nie Skrifkritiek en Skrifgebruik onaangetas gelaat het nie. Dit het tot gevolg dat Bybelwaarhede soos die opstanding van Christus, Sy maagdelike geboorte, Sy Godheid en selfs Sy plaasvervangende sterwe, verloën word.”&lt;br /&gt;Hy sê die vrae kan gevra word of die hart van die evangelie nie uitgeruk is nie.&lt;br /&gt;“Die liberale aanslag het verdoemende gevolge op vele terreine. Die hantering van homoseksualiteit word in die boek bespreek as voorbeeld van die gevolge van verkeerde besluite aangaande Skrifbeskouing.”&lt;br /&gt;Mouton sê met postmodernistiese liberalisme bedoel hy dit is die verskynsel dat die Bybel nie meer as die Woord van God beskou word nie. Ook dat daar predikers in die kerk is wat vrae het oor Jesus as Verlosser.&lt;br /&gt;“Die boek kan dalk sommige mense skok. Ons bespreek voorbeelde soos evolusie en homoseksualiteit en noem die name van mense wat dit verkondig. Maar ons doel is nie om mense sleg te sê nie, ons heg ook verwysings aan en staaf ons motiverings.”&lt;br /&gt;Hy sê hulle glo ook nie die hele NG Kerk hou hom met dwaalleer op nie.&lt;br /&gt;“Maar daar is beslis sommige leraars en professors wat daarmee besig is, soos dié wat twyfel of Jesus werklik opgestaan het. Ons glo hulle is besig met dwaalleer.”&lt;br /&gt;Oor hoe die boek ontstaan het, sê Mouton, die skrywers is almal mense wat gereeld deelneem aan gesprekke oor kerksake.&lt;br /&gt;“Ons het reeds soveel inligting oor ’n verskeidenheid onderwerpe versamel en het besluit om dit in boekvorm uit te bring.”&lt;br /&gt;Die ander skrywers is ds. Gideon Aggenbag, ’n emeritus-predikant, mnr. Daniel Louw, ’n ingenieur, ds. Jan Louw, NG predikant op Secunda, dr. Koos Visser, ’n mediese spesialis, en ds. Hanan Viljoen, emeritus-predikant.&lt;br /&gt;Vir meer inligting of bestellings besoek die webtuiste, &lt;a href="http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/"&gt;http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;- Volksblad&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6888961894153848270?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6888961894153848270/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6888961894153848270' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6888961894153848270'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6888961894153848270'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/12/omstrede-trojaanse-perd-in-volksblad.html' title='&quot;Omstrede&quot; Trojaanse perd in VOLKSBLAD!!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4861744601442118006</id><published>2010-12-05T09:50:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-12-07T17:31:06.878+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Nou beskikbaar....</title><content type='html'>2&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TPStHr1VmII/AAAAAAAAAMA/wjRXksRL4Pw/s1600/trojaanse_perd_landskap_100kb.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5545247388737050754" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TPStHr1VmII/AAAAAAAAAMA/wjRXksRL4Pw/s400/trojaanse_perd_landskap_100kb.jpg" style="cursor: hand; display: block; height: 284px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 400px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Nou ja Pretorianers, die van julle wat belangstel in ons boek "Die Trojaanse perd in die NG kerk" , (sien die skakel hierby) - dit is in Pretoria. Gaan na &lt;a href="http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/" onmousedown="'UntrustedLink.bootstrap($(this)," rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.glodiebybel.co.za/&lt;/a&gt; vir meer besonderhede. Ek is jaloers op julle, want ek kry myne eers Sondag, wanneer ons 'n dankdiens daar hou.... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4861744601442118006?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4861744601442118006/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4861744601442118006' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4861744601442118006'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4861744601442118006'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/nou-beskikbaar.html' title='Nou beskikbaar....'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TPStHr1VmII/AAAAAAAAAMA/wjRXksRL4Pw/s72-c/trojaanse_perd_landskap_100kb.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6746459545971706958</id><published>2010-11-28T10:33:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-28T10:33:46.250+02:00</updated><title type='text'>'Don't look away: act against abuse'</title><content type='html'>'Don't look away: act against abuse' - This is the theme of the 16 days of campaigning against abuse of women and children in South Africa. It reminds one of the parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10 - with people walking past unconcerned, but the Samaritan is the one who "does not look away" ....(Read more about the UN campaign here: &lt;a href="http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/news/vawd.html"&gt;http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/news/vawd.html&lt;/a&gt; and the campaign in South Africa here: &lt;a href="http://www.southafrica.info/services/rights/16days-241110.htm"&gt;http://www.southafrica.info/services/rights/16days-241110.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6746459545971706958?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6746459545971706958/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6746459545971706958' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6746459545971706958'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6746459545971706958'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/dont-look-away-act-against-abuse_3559.html' title='&apos;Don&apos;t look away: act against abuse&apos;'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6012793322386070568</id><published>2010-11-23T13:58:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-23T14:01:05.194+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Wanneer “wetenskap” ‘n “-isme” word</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOus9hV0-dI/AAAAAAAAALQ/I312E7KnAY0/s1600/MR900163018%255B1%255D.GIF"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 96px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 96px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5542713939331447250" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOus9hV0-dI/AAAAAAAAALQ/I312E7KnAY0/s320/MR900163018%255B1%255D.GIF" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Wanneer aansprake gemaak word dat “die wetenskaplike metode” die enigste wyse is waarop kennis bekom kan word, wanneer verklaar word dat sodanige metodes die allerbeste is en hierdie aansprake verabsoluteer word en die vorm van ‘n ideologie aanneem, kan mens dit ‘n “-isme” noem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Uiterste aansprake is dat “die wetenskap” al die antwoorde het om kennis te bekom oor die bestaande werklikheid, dat dit superieur is en die mees gesaghebbende wyse is om die kosmos en alles wat bestaan te verstaan en te verklaar. Mense vir wie “die wetenskap” die enigste toegang tot “die waarheid” is, glo net in dit wat met die sintuie ervaar kan word, dit wat gemeet, getel, geweeg en verreken kan word op een of ander wyse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Só 'n werklikheid is enkel-dimensioneel, dit verskraal alles wat is en ignoreer velerlei ander werklikhede.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6012793322386070568?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6012793322386070568/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6012793322386070568' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6012793322386070568'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6012793322386070568'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/wanneer-wetenskap-n-isme-word.html' title='Wanneer “wetenskap” ‘n “-isme” word'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOus9hV0-dI/AAAAAAAAALQ/I312E7KnAY0/s72-c/MR900163018%255B1%255D.GIF' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1554160014311636345</id><published>2010-11-22T20:14:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-22T20:14:50.680+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Gereformeerde Kerk worstel ook oor Skrifgesag, evolusie.</title><content type='html'>Hersien leer oor gesag van die Bybel (‘n berig van Neels Jackson,  in vandag, se Beeld) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die leer oor die gesag van die Bybel moet hersien word. So reken mnr. Marinus Wijnbeek, Wetenskaplike wat nou in Nederland bly, in ‘n debat oor skepping en evolusie in Die Kerkblad van die Gereformeerde Kerke in Suid-Afrika.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prof. Paul Krüger van die Teologiese skool Potchefstroom meen dat die saak van die skepping en evolusie “waarskynlik dié strydpunt van die 21ste eeu gaan word in die geledere van tradisioneel-konserwatiewe of evangelies-gesinde kerke”  (Lees verder onder opmerkings)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1554160014311636345?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1554160014311636345/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1554160014311636345' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1554160014311636345'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1554160014311636345'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/gereformeerde-kerk-worstel-ook-oor.html' title='Gereformeerde Kerk worstel ook oor Skrifgesag, evolusie.'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3100391166242110920</id><published>2010-11-22T11:46:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-22T16:26:03.340+02:00</updated><title type='text'>World’s biggest statue of Christ</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOo8R005KGI/AAAAAAAAALI/T6mLqFVx5GU/s1600/jesus-10227402H3521525%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5542308568368752738" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOo8R005KGI/AAAAAAAAALI/T6mLqFVx5GU/s320/jesus-10227402H3521525%255B1%255D.jpg" style="cursor: hand; float: left; height: 320px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; width: 161px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The biggest statue of Christ has just been unveiled in Swiebodzin, Poland. The builder of the monument, father Sylwester Zawadzki does not hide his emotions. "I'm just overjoyed. It's one of the greatest moments of my life", he said.&lt;br /&gt;Asked about the conception of the idea, father Sylwester Zawadzki said, "It was an idea of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I was only to erect it."&lt;br /&gt;It is taller than the one in Rio de Janeire and the whole of it is more than 50 meters, where the mound that it stands on is 16 meters high. On top of the 33-meter tall statue there is a golden crown. Total weight of the statue is 440 tons. It can even been seen from the German border, which is 90 km away.&lt;br /&gt;For more info, read here: &lt;a href="http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/poles-gather-for-consecration-of-gigantic-statue-of-jesus-christ-109677344.html"&gt;http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/poles-gather-for-consecration-of-gigantic-statue-of-jesus-christ-109677344.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3100391166242110920?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3100391166242110920/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3100391166242110920' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3100391166242110920'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3100391166242110920'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/worlds-biggest-statue-of-christ.html' title='World’s biggest statue of Christ'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOo8R005KGI/AAAAAAAAALI/T6mLqFVx5GU/s72-c/jesus-10227402H3521525%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-9008153084146887016</id><published>2010-11-19T06:39:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-19T06:40:36.794+02:00</updated><title type='text'>BE SUPREMELY JOYFUL!</title><content type='html'>Blessed and happy and enviably fortunate and spiritually prosperous (in the state in which the born-again child of God enjoys and finds satisfaction in God's favor and salvation, regardless of his outward conditions) are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake (for being and doing right), for theirs is the kingdom of heaven!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Blessed (happy, to be envied, and spiritually prosperous --with life-joy and satisfaction in God's favor and salvation, regardless of your outward conditions) are you when people revile you and persecute you and say all kinds of evil things against you falsely on My account.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Be glad and supremely joyful, for your reward in heaven is great (strong and intense), for in this same way people persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matt 5:11-12, AMPL Bible)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-9008153084146887016?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/9008153084146887016/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=9008153084146887016' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/9008153084146887016'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/9008153084146887016'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/be-supremely-joyful.html' title='BE SUPREMELY JOYFUL!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7976191103249469040</id><published>2010-11-09T21:13:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-11-09T21:19:42.805+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Rescued miner runs NY marathon....</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TNmevjdZNpI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/1n9ubyhzZsI/s1600/140327%255B1%255D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 400px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 266px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5537631756638303890" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TNmevjdZNpI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/1n9ubyhzZsI/s400/140327%255B1%255D.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Edison Pena's personal victory came just weeks after he was still training in near-darkness, jogging 6 or 7 miles (around 10 kilometers) each day 2,300 feet (700 meters) underground in stifling heat and humidity. He and 32 other men survived 69 days in the caved-in mine before they were rescued last month.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In this marathon I struggled," he said. "I struggled with myself, I struggled with my own pain, but I made it to the finish line. I want to motivate other people to also find the courage and strength to transcend their own pain."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read more at: &lt;a href="http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/rescued-chilean-miner-runs-in-new-york-marathon-65028?cp" target="_blank_"&gt;http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/rescued-chilean-miner-runs-in-new-york-marathon-65028?cp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7976191103249469040?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7976191103249469040/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7976191103249469040' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7976191103249469040'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7976191103249469040'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/11/rescued-miner-runs-ny-marathon.html' title='Rescued miner runs NY marathon....'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TNmevjdZNpI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/1n9ubyhzZsI/s72-c/140327%255B1%255D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3595691029412696112</id><published>2010-10-28T14:46:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-28T14:50:02.218+02:00</updated><title type='text'>C S Lewis Bible</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TMlxL_EfHpI/AAAAAAAAAJg/gkWSQvVjK_Q/s1600/The-C-S-Lewis-Bible-210x300%5B1%5D.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 210px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 300px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5533078067924115090" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TMlxL_EfHpI/AAAAAAAAAJg/gkWSQvVjK_Q/s400/The-C-S-Lewis-Bible-210x300%5B1%5D.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;(Spesiaal vir Liza!)&lt;br /&gt;Thought-provoking meditations from beloved author C. S. Lewis’s own spiritual writings are paired with corresponding Bible passages in The C. S. Lewis Bible. This NRSV Bible provides readings comprised of over 600 selections from Lewis’s celebrated spiritual classics, a collection that includes Mere Christianity, The Screwtape Letters, The Great Divorce, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, A Grief Observed, The Four Loves, and The Weight of Glory, as well as letters, poetry, and Lewis’s lesser-known works. Each reading, paired alongside relevant passages in the Bible, offers C. S. Lewis as a companion to a reader’s daily meditation of scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read more here:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.narniaweb.com/2010/03/harpercollins-to-release-c-s-lewis-bible/&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3595691029412696112?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3595691029412696112/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3595691029412696112' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3595691029412696112'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3595691029412696112'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/c-s-lewis-bible.html' title='C S Lewis Bible'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TMlxL_EfHpI/AAAAAAAAAJg/gkWSQvVjK_Q/s72-c/The-C-S-Lewis-Bible-210x300%5B1%5D.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1587895076219711555</id><published>2010-10-24T21:13:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-24T21:14:01.156+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Chilean miner’s  T-shirt</title><content type='html'>When Alex Vega, Bible in hand, emerged from the capsule, he proudly displayed his shirt .  In front was the phrase "¡Gracias Señor! Thank you Lord.“ phrase "¡Gracias Señor! Thank you Lord.“ On the back it reads another sentence that says: “In his hand are the depths of the earth, and the mountain peaks belong to Him… For Him is the honor and glory", which corresponds to verse 4 of Psalm 95. (Read on and read the whole story here:  &lt;a href="http://www.immanuelsda.org/article.php?id=105"&gt;http://www.immanuelsda.org/article.php?id=105&lt;/a&gt; )&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1587895076219711555?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1587895076219711555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1587895076219711555' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1587895076219711555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1587895076219711555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/chilean-miners-t-shirt.html' title='Chilean miner’s  T-shirt'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2400400565184644470</id><published>2010-10-24T07:38:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-24T07:38:34.237+02:00</updated><title type='text'>How God reveals Himself</title><content type='html'>“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.” (Deutr 29:29)&lt;br /&gt;According to the Bible, there are a number of ways through which God has  revealed Himself to man through the ages, e.g. by speaking directly (like to Noah and Abraham), dreams (like Jacob)  by telling people to write down His words as a general message (the prophets) and also through nature (Ps 19). In “reformed speak”, we usually talk about general (through nature) and specific revelation (the Bible).  What has struck me about the quoted verse, is that some things are revealed, and some not and also that there is purpose in the revelation.  How privileged we are, to have such intimate knowledge about the Living God!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2400400565184644470?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2400400565184644470/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2400400565184644470' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2400400565184644470'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2400400565184644470'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-god-reveals-himself.html' title='How God reveals Himself'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5907036376445927780</id><published>2010-10-22T08:36:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-22T12:09:07.891+02:00</updated><title type='text'>'NOMIES OF THE BIBLE</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TMFipU_58qI/AAAAAAAAA-M/lEKsD5vKeMg/s1600/220PX-~1.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" nx="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TMFipU_58qI/AAAAAAAAA-M/lEKsD5vKeMg/s200/220PX-~1.JPG" width="146" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;If Deteronomy means the second Nomy of the Bible, which was the Prima- (first ) Nomy - maybe Exodus? What if we were to find a Bible with the books listed as Genesis, Primanomy, Leviticus, Numbers, Deteronomy … should we read it or reject it? Is the Primanomy perhaps lost? And what exactly is a lost booik? If we know of them and have copies of them, how can they be 'lost'? So, if they are not lost, how come they are not in the Bible?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5907036376445927780?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5907036376445927780/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5907036376445927780' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5907036376445927780'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5907036376445927780'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/nomies-of-bible.html' title='&apos;NOMIES OF THE BIBLE'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TMFipU_58qI/AAAAAAAAA-M/lEKsD5vKeMg/s72-c/220PX-~1.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5529432545433982587</id><published>2010-10-21T10:12:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-21T10:13:02.765+02:00</updated><title type='text'>“Have Western Protestant liberals lost their collective theological nerve?</title><content type='html'>"The Episcopal Church is the greatest disgrace in Christian history and it is being led down the path by so called Christian leadership."  ( Read more here and also under comments:Lausanne III conference, read here: &lt;a href="http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13415"&gt;http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=13415&lt;/a&gt;  )&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5529432545433982587?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5529432545433982587/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5529432545433982587' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5529432545433982587'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5529432545433982587'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/have-western-protestant-liberals-lost.html' title='“Have Western Protestant liberals lost their collective theological nerve?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2308819033164878642</id><published>2010-10-19T11:02:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-22T14:14:46.104+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Lausanne III – massive congress on evangelism in SA</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TMGAJgA_i8I/AAAAAAAAA-Q/9CJfcrZRt0k/s1600/CapeTownB.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="166" nx="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TMGAJgA_i8I/AAAAAAAAA-Q/9CJfcrZRt0k/s200/CapeTownB.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;CAPE TOWN, SOUTH AFRICA—The Third Lausanne Congress on World Evangelism, Cape Town 2010, began on Sunday evening with a multimedia, music, and dance presentation welcoming the 4,000 participants from 198 nations to Africa.&lt;br /&gt;Keep track here: &lt;a href="http://www.lausanne.org/cape-town-2010"&gt;http://www.lausanne.org/cape-town-2010&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2308819033164878642?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2308819033164878642/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2308819033164878642' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2308819033164878642'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2308819033164878642'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/lausanne-iii-massive-congress-on.html' title='Lausanne III – massive congress on evangelism in SA'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TMGAJgA_i8I/AAAAAAAAA-Q/9CJfcrZRt0k/s72-c/CapeTownB.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-5065685552172082414</id><published>2010-10-18T09:43:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-18T09:47:14.289+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Woorduitdaging</title><content type='html'>Dag Vriende.&lt;br /&gt;Ek is besig om 'n boek, genaamd "Mere Morality" te lees. In die boek sê die skrywer o.a. "Love moved Jesus to help people." Dan volg 'n kort bespreking oor  die wesensaard van "people." Hierna voeg hy die woordjie "all" in en bespreek dit dan. En so gaan hy aan om sy sin uit te brei met vier of vyf woorde wat hy byvoeg.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dit het my laat begin wonder hoe lank 'n mens die sin kan maak. Die langste vers in die NAV is Ester 8:9 met 87 woorde. Wat die langste sin in die Afrikaanse Bybel is, weet ek nie (2 Chron. 5:11 - 14 met 172 woorde in die NKJV). Enige gewone sin kan natuurlik voortgaan en aangaan en verder gaan en weereens verlang word, ens. Jy kry die idee. Maar 'n sinvolle sin?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ek gee myself nie uit as 'n taalkenner nie, maar as ons begin met: "Die liefde van Jesus…" en dan byvoeglike naamworode byvoeg (van tyd, ruimte, modalteit (wat die "hoe" vragie beantwoord) en immoraliteit (dis nou die "f," "s," "m," ens. woorde - gie…gie…gie!) kan mens dalk by 87 of selfs 172 woorde uitkom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hoeveel byvoeglike naamwoorde is daar in Afrikaans?&lt;br /&gt;So aanvaar asb. die utidaging en begin konstrueer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Die liefde van Jesus… (Om dit makliker te maak om byvoegings raak te sien, kopieer alles na 'n Word leêr, maak alles kleinletters, maak jou bydrae in hoofletters en plak terug op die blog.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gideon, dink net hoe beïndruk jou gemeente gaan wees as jy vir hulle kan sê:  "Vandag is my preek net een sin lank" en hulle dan die gewone tyd besighou! J&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-5065685552172082414?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/5065685552172082414/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=5065685552172082414' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5065685552172082414'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/5065685552172082414'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/woorduitdaging.html' title='Woorduitdaging'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-6017831010722350010</id><published>2010-10-14T08:05:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-14T08:11:47.568+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Time with "them"</title><content type='html'>Good day friends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I would like to know from you, if you were te spend some time with one of "them" who whould it be? "Them" being those whom we know do not believe as we do - those who deny the virgin birth and physical resurrection of Christ. Who would you like to explore matter of faith with, without being subjected to subjected to diatribes or verbal diarrhea on the senslessness and uselesness of religion and the wonders of secularism and atheism. That obviously excludes the most of them, but surely there are a few?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-6017831010722350010?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/6017831010722350010/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=6017831010722350010' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6017831010722350010'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/6017831010722350010'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/time-with-them.html' title='Time with &quot;them&quot;'/><author><name>Yf</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15602480276865046199</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1522848105569677618</id><published>2010-10-13T05:49:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-13T05:49:43.017+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Gered! /  Saved!</title><content type='html'>Loof die Here, o my siel.... die eerste mynwerker is gered! Trane stroom oor my wange - ek sien die hele tyd die huilende seuntjie wat sy pappa se bene vasklou.. ai, moet die ouderdom wees , dat iets aan die anderkant van die aarde my so diep raak.....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Praise the Lord, o my soul.. the first mineworker is rescued... tears are streaming down my cheeks as I recall the little boy clutching his father’s legs... it must be old age that I am so moved by something happening on the other side of the earth....&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1522848105569677618?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1522848105569677618/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1522848105569677618' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1522848105569677618'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1522848105569677618'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/gered-saved.html' title='Gered! /  Saved!'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-1807905937951725524</id><published>2010-10-11T12:31:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-11T12:33:49.845+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Proudly South African! SA’s role in Chilean rescue</title><content type='html'>S-Africans, buy today’s Citizen and share my pride and tears of joy – “we” played an important role in the ongoing plans to rescue the mine workers:  Murray and Roberts, a South African mining engineering company played a large role (and continues playing a role) in the rescue of the 33 trapped miners... it also forms part of the editor's comments on page 12: "SA to the rescue" .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read  full story here: http://www.citizen.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=131992&amp;amp;catid=80:breaking-news&amp;amp;Itemid=132&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-1807905937951725524?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/1807905937951725524/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=1807905937951725524' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1807905937951725524'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/1807905937951725524'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/proudly-south-african-sas-role-in.html' title='Proudly South African! SA’s role in Chilean rescue'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-2040557499358764386</id><published>2010-10-06T11:02:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-06T17:30:09.917+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Is there life on other planets?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKyV5VOypSI/AAAAAAAAA94/9nb8QEuKFsM/s1600/superterralg0.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" ex="true" height="135" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKyV5VOypSI/AAAAAAAAA94/9nb8QEuKFsM/s200/superterralg0.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The newly discovered “Goldilocks” , a planet which may support some or other form of life, has revived this age-old question. It is also addressed under the topic “Aliens and Christians” by Prof. Dr John Bijl here: &lt;a href="http://bylogos.blogspot.com/2010/10/aliens-and-christians.html"&gt;http://bylogos.blogspot.com/2010/10/aliens-and-christians.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Read on)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-2040557499358764386?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/2040557499358764386/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=2040557499358764386' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2040557499358764386'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/2040557499358764386'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/is-there-life-on-other-planets.html' title='Is there life on other planets?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKyV5VOypSI/AAAAAAAAA94/9nb8QEuKFsM/s72-c/superterralg0.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-3051045039698099663</id><published>2010-10-02T14:52:00.003+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-02T14:53:41.577+02:00</updated><title type='text'>“ Los Heroes de Chile” .....</title><content type='html'>Pragtige verhaal oor die 33 mynwerkers en hul families, hier:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.beeld.com/By/Nuus/Los-Heroes-de-Chile-Hoe-33-myners-n-simbool-geword-het-20101001-3"&gt;http://www.beeld.com/By/Nuus/Los-Heroes-de-Chile-Hoe-33-myners-n-simbool-geword-het-20101001-3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dit lyk asof hulle oor 'n paar weke uitgelig gaan word - sal antwoord op BAIE gebede wees....&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-3051045039698099663?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/3051045039698099663/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=3051045039698099663' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3051045039698099663'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/3051045039698099663'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/los-heroes-de-chile.html' title='“ Los Heroes de Chile” .....'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-4260435549424573473</id><published>2010-10-01T13:03:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-04T11:27:16.911+02:00</updated><title type='text'>If you think you are beaten....</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKmdzCYh01I/AAAAAAAAA9M/SA3Ey57xOZ0/s1600/lilebook.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" px="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKmdzCYh01I/AAAAAAAAA9M/SA3Ey57xOZ0/s200/lilebook.jpg" width="160" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="" name="If_You_Think_You_are_Beaten"&gt;If You Think You are Beaten&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Poem by: Walter D. Wintle )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you think you are beaten, you are.&lt;br /&gt;If you think you dare not, you don't.&lt;br /&gt;If you'd like to win but think you can't,&lt;br /&gt;It's almost certain you won't.Life's battles don't always go&lt;br /&gt;To the stronger or faster man,&lt;br /&gt;But sooner or later, the man who wins&lt;br /&gt;Is the man who thinks he can.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-4260435549424573473?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/4260435549424573473/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=4260435549424573473' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4260435549424573473'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/4260435549424573473'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/if-you-think-you-are-beaten.html' title='If you think you are beaten....'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKmdzCYh01I/AAAAAAAAA9M/SA3Ey57xOZ0/s72-c/lilebook.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-8330997533426651661</id><published>2010-09-30T15:25:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-04T17:45:20.893+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Waiting for....</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKn1H8nYV9I/AAAAAAAAA90/7vJQRREUDLA/s1600/Waiting+for+Superman2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; cssfloat: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" px="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKn1H8nYV9I/AAAAAAAAA90/7vJQRREUDLA/s1600/Waiting+for+Superman2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;SANTJIE SAL NOG &amp;nbsp;LANK MOET WAG.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-8330997533426651661?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/8330997533426651661/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=8330997533426651661' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8330997533426651661'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/8330997533426651661'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/10/waiting-for.html' title='Waiting for....'/><author><name>Liza</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16551419541623303852</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FuXW1wjmn3g/TxwbGbRg_QI/AAAAAAAABmo/XVB6Y1QWsU4/s220/LN%2B2.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKn1H8nYV9I/AAAAAAAAA90/7vJQRREUDLA/s72-c/Waiting+for+Superman2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7002557148503978890</id><published>2010-09-30T15:24:00.004+02:00</published><updated>2010-10-04T11:43:10.489+02:00</updated><title type='text'>“Waiting for superman” in USA Schools...</title><content type='html'>&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKmeyK71lEI/AAAAAAAAA9Q/4hPE96gqb7g/s1600/waiting-for-superman-movie-poster.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" px="true" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKmeyK71lEI/AAAAAAAAA9Q/4hPE96gqb7g/s320/waiting-for-superman-movie-poster.jpg" width="216" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;The fate of our country won't be decided on a battlefield,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;it will be determined in a classroom.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;It seems as if we in South Africa are not the only ones with under-achieving schools. The USA has the same problem. A documentary film “Waiting for superman” has recently been made on the issue. What the film seems to advocate is widespread reform of the public school system, ranging from longer school terms to more stringent accountability standards for teachers. Read more here:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.umportal.org/article.asp?id=7171"&gt;http://www.umportal.org/article.asp?id=7171&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems as if the movie is causing quite a storm.... :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/grading-waiting-for-superman/"&gt;http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/grading-waiting-for-superman/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7002557148503978890?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7002557148503978890/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7002557148503978890' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7002557148503978890'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7002557148503978890'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/09/waiting-for-superman-in-usa-schools.html' title='“Waiting for superman” in USA Schools...'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yp1o--NnLYU/TKmeyK71lEI/AAAAAAAAA9Q/4hPE96gqb7g/s72-c/waiting-for-superman-movie-poster.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795072198920272908.post-7630828603319314226</id><published>2010-09-27T12:32:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2010-09-27T12:33:44.134+02:00</updated><title type='text'>Waiting on God... why is it so difficult?</title><content type='html'>Abraham  wanted an heir. He got impatient and tried to “help” God...  with farreaching  effects, even for today.&lt;br /&gt;Bob Sorge’s book: “The fire of delayed answers” has some wonderful teaching on the subject.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1795072198920272908-7630828603319314226?l=onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/feeds/7630828603319314226/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1795072198920272908&amp;postID=7630828603319314226' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7630828603319314226'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1795072198920272908/posts/default/7630828603319314226'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://onsgeloofgesprek.blogspot.com/2010/09/waiting-on-god-why-is-it-so-difficult.html' title='Waiting on God... why is it so difficult?'/><author><name>Henrietta</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17308892136309292383</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='27' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dexI_J3bMmQ/TOxp3yiWn8I/AAAAAAAAALY/-RU847lXSa4/S220/OususGr.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry></feed>
