Daar word op die oomblik in die kerk meer gepraat oor self-ontplooiing as oor self-opoffering.-Anon.......As ‘n kerk haar woorde begin devalueer, dan word die kerk ‘n ramp vir die volk. - K Schilder


Time with "them"

Good day friends.

I would like to know from you, if you were te spend some time with one of "them" who whould it be? "Them" being those whom we know do not believe as we do - those who deny the virgin birth and physical resurrection of Christ. Who would you like to explore matter of faith with, without being subjected to subjected to diatribes or verbal diarrhea on the senslessness and uselesness of religion and the wonders of secularism and atheism. That obviously excludes the most of them, but surely there are a few?


Henrietta said...

Thanks Yf for this posting. There are a few "hardened Christians" with whom I would start... rather than full fledged atheists. I have tried very hard with some of the latter, without much success...

Yf said...

What? Why am I not surprised? Does no one want to speak to 'them'? What about the self-styled 'four horsemen of the apocalypse'? They are so quiet nowadays they might as well be 'the four nags of the apocalypse.' Is it that fanatical (and fundamental) atheists take them seriously? So what about Stephen Jay Gould, him of punctuated equilibria fame? If you remember? But of course, he died in 2002. So, Carl Sagan then, him of "science is a candle in the dark, the answer to all man's questions about spirituality and "why?" Ditto for him unfortunately, in 1996. Then there is Anthoy Flew. Raised as a Methodist, turned forsook that for Atheism and eventually rejected that in favour of Deism. He now believes in the existence of God, based on scientific principles. I would have liked to explore the thinking of someone like him who pendulates between various beliefsystems. But sad to say, even he is ditto on 8th April 2010.

Hansie Wolmerans? Nah, not him too agitated and loud for my liking. Anyway, he is a 'conversionalist' and not a 'discussionalist' (He wants to convert people to his viewpoint, as he rejects anything else, instead of discussing the various viewpoints.) Abel Pienaar and why spirituality is more important that focussed faith - sure, why not? Johan Rousseau - yes and how does philosophy answer the 'why' question in such a way that it is comforting to everyone (and that is everyone) who has ever suffered in some way or another. And I would like to ask George Claasen. A true sceptic must be sceptical of everything, except scepticism of course. But if you certain of anything at all, you are not a sceptic. Can a sceptic be certain of anything, even scepticism? If so, your are at least in one respect a 'certainist.' Is scepticism, as philosophy and worldview at all possible? That discussion will make for a nice bit of logic!

In Peace