Daar word op die oomblik in die kerk meer gepraat oor self-ontplooiing as oor self-opoffering.-Anon.......As ‘n kerk haar woorde begin devalueer, dan word die kerk ‘n ramp vir die volk. - K Schilder

8/23/2010

Burning issues in the church today

“The biggest debate in the church today is not about what is true, but what
teaching should be allowed. We believe a lot of different things. People
in the same local church congregation often have different views on lots of
things. There is even more diversity in the same denomination. People grow
up in churches and adopt different beliefs to their parents. Should they be
thrown out or silenced? Who should be allowed in the pulpit? Who should be
allowed to publish in church magazines and newspapers? If we hear something
with which we don't agree in the pulpit should we keep quiet or object? And
does this really all matter?” – Philip Rosenthal ( For this very informative article, please log onto: http://emergingthreat.blogspot.com/)

4 comments:

Gideon said...

Philip Rozenthal makes a statement in which it is quite difficult to bring the ends together. the debate is "...not about what is true, but what teaching should be allowed."

I believe this raises two questions:
1) What is true?
2) What is being done about false teachings? Who decides which is false and which is the truth? This latter question, I think, is the crucial point.

Members of the church have not yet realised that they dare not naïvely accept everything the minister is teaching. Mostly, these days, members are tragically ignorant about what the Bible teaches. Liberal theology questions, "re-interprets" and discards many teachings of the Bible. E.g.: It is biologically impossible that Jesus could have been born of a virgin, He did not arise physically from the grave, the stories about Abraham, Noah and the flood, Jonah swallowed by a fish - those are all myths, only lessons te be learned from, etc.
Some theologians even hold that the christian faith was borrowed from and grew out of other heathen beliefs.

The most burning issue, doctrine-wise, is the theory of evolution. This hypothesis (if it is even worth being called that) is in direct opposition to the Word of God. The one gives the lie to the other. If the teachings of evolution is believed, it is impossible to also believe the Biblical teachings.

Yet another burning question is: What is the church doing about such false teachings? To my konwledge: Nothing! This alone (the absence of church discipline) strips the church of it’s status as “church” (see the Dutch Confession of Faith). Such an “orginisation” has no right before God to claim the name of “Christian Church” for itself any more.

Indeed it is no wonder that so many church members are either totally unaware of the crisis (by lack of Bible-knowledge, have “differing views” or just don’t care.

Yes, there are many burning issues. I see it as the duty of those who claim to be christians, to proclaim the true faith, to rebuke and to teach (2Tim.4:2). We can pray and trust that God will achieve His purpose, for He is still in control. These happenings, which is tragic and hard to believe, were all foretold by Jesus himself in Mat.24.
Regards.
Gideon.

Gideon said...

Philip Rozenthal makes a statement in which it is quite difficult to bring the ends together. the debate is "...not about what is true, but what teaching should be allowed."

I believe this raises two questions:
1) What is true?
2) What is being done about false teachings? Who decides which is false and which is the truth? This latter question, I think, is the crucial point.

Members of the church have not yet realised that they dare not naïvely accept everything the minister is teaching. Mostly, these days, members are tragically ignorant about what the Bible teaches. Liberal theology questions, "re-interprets" and discards many teachings of the Bible. E.g.: It is biologically impossible that Jesus could have been born of a virgin, He did not arise physically from the grave, the stories about Abraham, Noah and the flood, Jonah swallowed by a fish - those are all myths, only lessons te be learned from, etc.
Some theologians even hold that the christian faith was borrowed from and grew out of other heathen beliefs.

The most burning issue, doctrine-wise, is the theory of evolution. This hypothesis (if it is even worth being called that) is in direct opposition to the Word of God. The one gives the lie to the other. If the teachings of evolution is believed, it is impossible to also believe the Biblical teachings.

Yet another burning question is: What is the church doing about such false teachings? To my konwledge: Nothing! This alone (the absence of church discipline) strips the church of it’s status as “church” (see the Dutch Confession of Faith). Such an “orginisation” has no right before God to claim the name of “Christian Church” for itself any more.

Indeed it is no wonder that so many church members are either totally unaware of the crisis (by lack of Bible-knowledge, have “differing views” or just don’t care.

Yes, there are many burning issues. I see it as the duty of those who claim to be christians, to proclaim the true faith, to rebuke and to teach (2Tim.4:2). We can pray and trust that God will achieve His purpose, for He is still in control. These happenings, which is tragic and hard to believe, were all foretold by Jesus himself in Mat.24.
Regards.
Gideon.

Danie Loots said...

Gideon, it is indeed disturbing to see how the Authority of the Bible is under attack, even from within the Church. I wonder when church leaders and people of influence in the Church makes declarations about certain sections of the Bible not being literally true, under which authority do they make such claims?

I believe that the Church is moving into a time where there might be big division about these matters. There may be many that encounter God in a different way than how we were brought up, people that will seek the truth because they got to know the Love of God. These will defend the truth and authority of the Bible to great extend. Matters like evolution and claims that science disproofs the Bible, will cause them to seek even deeper for the truth and find answers.

Then there are those that seek their own agenda and are influenced by the liberal media and doctrines. Those that convince themselves by their own logical arguments, instead of the Bible's position on the matter. They may even call the first group heretics in some cases.

My problem lies exactly with your second question(s):"What is being done about false teachings? Who decides which is false and which is the truth?"

And perhaps this question. If I am one that believes the Bible is the absolute truth, what am I to do with regards to the ones that does not believe in the Bible as the absolute truth?

Henrietta said...

Lekker om weer jou "stem" hier te hoor Danie!

For me the answer lies in 2 Tim 4, where we are warned, as you mentioned, against false teachers and their teachings. Paul gives Timothy the answer:"... reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering..." the language is even stronger in the Amplified Bible: "Keep your sense of urgency.. whether it is convenient or inconvenient, whether it is welcome or unwelcome... convince them, rebuking and correcting, warning and urging and encouraging them, being unflagging and inexhausible in patience and teaching..."